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Old November 16th, 2016, 02:15 AM   #81
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$100 Million investment in Kahn and Fisher Buildings (article
Kahn Building

"http://detroit1701.org/New%20Center-Albert%20Kahn%20Building.html"

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Old November 19th, 2016, 02:23 AM   #82
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More details from the developer and an article
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Old November 19th, 2016, 11:07 AM   #83
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You may want to start here to get an idea of the current skyline. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...etroit&page=25
Also here is an excellent article about what is envisioned that was posted in the Detroit thread in the Midwest section of N America http://www.architectmagazine.com/des...coxs-detroit_o
The skyline is quite full from a horizontal perspective, but it is images like this that make me angry!

http://usa.streetsblog.org/2014/06/2...e-highway-age/


http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2015/07/...d-wings-arena/

This scene was once filled with very dense development. At least a nice new stadium is going in there.


http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article...builds-new-red
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Old November 19th, 2016, 07:00 PM   #84
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Well from a glass half full perspective this revival is starting to spill into the neighborhoods.
Here is an example
Here is a neighborhood by neighborhood of what is currently happening. A good place to bookmark if you want to watch the trends, but it is hopeful.
This is going to take time, the whole downward spiral started about 60 years ago and the revival really is only a few years old. Personally most of that empty space would have been torn down anyway just not all at once, but circumstance conspired where a perfect storm developed to make it happen. In a way it might work out for the best as it really does give an opportunity no other large city has seen so far, a thoughtful way to design a space for what the future demands.
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Old November 20th, 2016, 04:22 PM   #85
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Well, large swathes of Berlin had (or still have) the same opportunity, as WW2, post-war planning and the Berlin Wall ravaged the city. But for North America it certainly is pretty unique.

Let's hope Detroit makes the best of it. Urbanises, densifies, diversifies. And that it doesn't repeat its mistakes or makes a bunch of new ones (like tearing down even more heritage buildings).
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Old November 25th, 2016, 06:18 PM   #86
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See all you have to do is ask and it happens. A building by the train station which we all hope one day will be renovated has been spared demolition. Article here
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Old November 28th, 2016, 05:27 AM   #87
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It happened to almost every city in America, the highways were purposefully built on black neighborhoods to displace them and allowed for white flight, suburban development was subsidized by the government so white people could segregate themselves. Europe committed suicide during the first world war and American cities committed suicide in different ways. Only the cultural stigma against big cities in America lasted decades longer than a war.

The United States is a very racist country, filled with hate and ignorance, but the newer generations show some change.

The Brush Park development is going to start construction on Tuesday so it's not all doom and gloom. http://www.dailydetroit.com/2016/11/...ion-next-week/
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Old November 28th, 2016, 08:13 AM   #88
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Well the part that where you say they built freeways just in black neighborhoods is just not true. I grew up in west Detroit and they built the Southfield freeway, then 675 through my neighborhood, a white working class neighborhood. White flight was more the result of Red Lining practices by Real Estate companies. In Detroit's case it was the first to experiment with the idea of freeways (called expressways back then) with the Davidson Expressway built in the 40's. Building freeways was not a government conspiracy but it was a combination of a lot of things. The G.I. Bill with mortgage help, the baby boom, freeways and fear tactics by the Red Lining all contributed to the white flight which started in the 50's but really took off after the Detroit Riots/Insurrection, depending on your point of view. Were there racist policies, you bet, but there was no grand conspiracy. That would take coordination, teamwork and organization and we are talking about the government after all

Oh if you are interested in following the progress of the new arena here is their twitter https://twitter.com/LCA_Detroit?t=1&...=244+272764941
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Old November 28th, 2016, 08:16 AM   #89
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That is an amazing project and I hope that several more like it will fill in those unner neighborhoods rather than abandoning them entirely.

This is a map of Detroit's red-lining from 1939. Red means no loans, whatsoever. Yellow made it hard, but not impossible. Loans were easy to get in green areas, and practically given away in blue areas (undeveloped land). The presence of one black family or one Jewish family caused the block to be painted red. Most existing development was painted yellow.


https://detroitography.com/2014/12/1...ning-map-1939/
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Old November 28th, 2016, 06:02 PM   #90
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It is one thing to hear about these kind of practices but to see it and know it was an accepted way of doing business is really sobering. I see my house was in a yellow area and if I remember right was built 4 years after this map was made.
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Its shocking to see such a map, yet one imagines there are maps like this for every major city in the US. Presumably these types of red-lining maps predate 1939 (when did they actually start?) and demonstrate not only the racism endemic within the financial loans industry but also shows that the issues which erupted in the 50s and 60s date back decades, were masked over to some degree by WW2, and then raised its nasty head in the post war period. This type of red lining of streets and blocks etc. would have seriously prevented the building stock from being invested in, and presumably it was only when such red lining ended and mortages could be borrowed to buy and fix up older homes in inner city areas did serious rehabilitation of much housing stock could actually begin, as it did in the mid to late 1960s. These maps and the related policies also are assumed to be important tools for those speculative land owners, developers and construction industry who were advocating for, and building, suburban housing and related road based commercial and government development in the outskirts to the detriment of the downtown and inner city districts.
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Old November 29th, 2016, 08:31 AM   #92
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The maps were created in 1933 by the Home Owners Loan Corporation. It was a Federal Government system to subsidize home loans, and they tried to quickly decide where best to spend money, letting their racism control the decisions. 300 maps were created, only for the largest cities and their surroundings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Owners'_Loan_Corporation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

In these cities, African-American investors took advantage of the situation. They pooled their cash and bought a single home on the block for the original high market rate. This caused the whole block to be painted red, and the remaining homeowners on the block sold all their homes for significantly less than the they were worth immediately before, to the investors. They rented out the houses, some of which became two- or three-family homes. The idea is called Blockbusting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockbusting

The practice continued until 1977 and some say it continues still in more covert ways. The federal and state governments took advantage of the declining property values in city centers for massive demolition and redevelopment projects for government buildings, highways, colleges, hospitals, malls, and industrial parks. It had a particularly huge effect on Detroit due to the sole industry, the automobile industry, moving to the outer suburbs or even further, removing the city's chief employer. Even worse, JL Hudson's, who had the massive downtown department store, built 4 malls in the inner-ring suburbs of Detroit, Northland (built in 1954), Eastland, Southland, and Westland, which drew all of the retail out of the city center. With the last streetcars being removed by 1956, and some lines not being replaced at all in the bus conversion, there was little reason to go to Downtown Detroit. In 1967, after massive "slum clearence" that often targeted African Americans, including over 160 acres to build the Lafayette Park housing project, a huge race riot destroyed 412 buildings, and with 43 dead, it became the primary source of news about Detroit, giving an image of the city as being downright dangerous. Today, with so little of its population actually living in or near Downtown, there is too small of a resident population for a serious development effort to take place, something that is gradually changing. If Detroit can get its Renaissance to actually begin, people might actually take advantage of the Real Estate bargain there and move back to the city.

If you go to the Local Home Values chart on this listing for a group of 54 homes in Detroit just west of Downtown, you will see the plummeting of Detroit's home values, that have bottomed out and are VERY SLOWLY rising back up.
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/39...ing_realestate

Hopefully some investors will see this and start spending on Detroit real estate.
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Old November 29th, 2016, 02:19 PM   #93
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Very interesting stuff! I heard about the redlining and blockbusting practices, but had no idea of the scale. Jeesh. That surely explains a lot about urban development in post-war America.

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Old November 30th, 2016, 05:56 AM   #94
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Gilbert’s new project spurs ‘vertical era’ in Detroit


Brush Park’s face-lift is the beginning of a new era in Detroit, says real estate developer and Quicken Loans founder Dan Gilbert.

Gilbert, who has been buying and renovating skyscrapers in downtown Detroit, spoke briefly Tuesday at a groundbreaking event for his 20-building mixed-use City Modern project, which will occupy 8.4 acres of mostly vacant land in the Brush Park neighborhood just north of downtown.

It’s a massive project, the total cost of which has ballooned from $70 million when the project was announced in May 2015 to more than $100 million as of Tuesday. The development is the second Gilbert-backed ground-up construction project to break ground in Detroit’s greater downtown this year. Crews started work on a 218-unit apartment building downtown several months ago.

It’s the start of the “vertical era,” Gilbert said Tuesday. By “vertical,” he meant new construction as opposed to renovation of existing structures.
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Old November 30th, 2016, 10:22 PM   #95
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It's no a conspiracy at all, just because a few white working class neighborhoods happened to go down in the process doesn't change the goal.

Suburbia was heavily subsidized by the government in order to create segregated communities for white people who didn't want black people into their suburban neighborhoods. http://www.citylab.com/housing/2015/...burbia/403321/

It happened to every city in America, Canada did not allow segregative suburban sprawl which is why Canadian cities are significantly more urban and better planned than American cities.
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Old December 1st, 2016, 12:32 AM   #96
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Absolute nonsense. Nothing in your resource talks about the freeways. We already said there were racists policies about housing and those are excellent examples of those policies. Freeways are partly an outcome of those policies but where they were put was not an attempt to segregate the races. The races were already segregated. I grew up there. the purpose of the freeways was never, I repeat never to purposely displace anyone black or white. Where are you getting this? Freeways were the result of the Eisenhower administration as a means to move not only freight but also military men and equipment quickly (research the requirements of road widths and bridge heights to accommodate military needs, which btw became necessary during the Cuban Missile Crisis when massive amounts of material was moved into Florida) as well as to move people from the suburbs who moved there as a result of the above mentioned practices. They didn't move there because of freeways. Of course they went through black neighborhoods in the inner city but also through white working class neighborhoods located outside the inner city but still in the city limits. As many white neighborhoods were affected as black neighborhoods.

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The Freeways are what allowed the people to flee to the suburbs in the first place, otherwise they would have never been able to keep their jobs and move at the same time.

The Fisher and 75 interchange was specifically built on top of Black Bottom and when that wasn't enough they destroyed the rest with Lafayette park. You're kidding yourself if you think they didn't target minority neighborhoods. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odF4...ab_channel=Vox
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Old December 1st, 2016, 07:33 PM   #98
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So let me get this right according to that video, they targeted those black neighborhoods that were thriving so they could destroy them and by destroying them they hoped to accomplish what? They did not build the freeways first so that whites could leave they built them because they had already left as a result of the above mentioned policies. My neighborhood was destroyed too and it was not an isolated white neighborhood. Follow 696 and you will see what I mean

At the time it was built all those were white neighborhoods and over time much of those neighborhoods were destroyed too. I don't disagree about the affect the freeways had but it wasn't because of race. It was more of a result of social class and resources. If you were in working class area white or black chances are you could not fight where these went if you were in an area of means then you stood a better chance and in the 60's it most likely would be white. In the case on Greenwich Village one of the supporters of the group opposed to a freeway was Eleanor Roosevelt, hardly someone who would support a racist plan. The youtube video you used while correct in where the freeway went draws erroneous conclusions. They sort of put the cart ahead of the horse. Anyway I am sure I did not convince you but that's all I got
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In Boston the Southeast expressway cut off the city proper from the Northside which was prominently Italian. Everything isn't about race all the time you know
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3550 Cass Ave.

Not mentioned so far, 3550 Cass Ave. got revived:

Before


After


The building is on the National Historic Register and was vacant for allmost 50 years (acording to the construction company)
http://www.rohdeconstruction.com/por...toration&id=16

Also apparently all units are rented.
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