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Old June 3rd, 2009, 09:33 AM   #3881
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the WFC building in Shanghai looks like a very huge bottle opener. It even looks like the one we have at home.
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 09:44 AM   #3882
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the 'street life' only comes when the office cluster and residential cluster are mixed and located within the same plot/area. if the office towers are only side by side with hotels, then the street life is not really what peoples refer as 'street life'.

the best street life is HK and Bangkok.

HK, the city where shops are on the ground level while houses are on shop. this will create a 24 hrs city. where peoples are easy to move from their home to the shops...

Bangkok, with no clear CBD cluster, where residential are popping everywhere is another good example. the city center is alive 24 hrs.

NY, Tokyo has the same pattern. well, the main reason is the population. the more people in the city, the more livelier it will be....
That's true with HK. Most residential flats in the city centre have commercial areas on the lower levels. But there are some areas within the city core that is not that active especially at night. The area from Central to Sheung Wan is pretty much dead after dawn. Nightlife happens when you walk upper especially in areas like Lan Kwai Fong or Soho.

As for BKK, the only main CBDs I know are Silom and an emerging one within Sukhumvit. Both are still of distance but as connected through the BTS and other public transportation.
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 09:50 AM   #3883
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i see the whole Metro Manila as one Manila. not like what pinoys see; Makati city, Quezon city, Taguig city (Fort Bonifacio), Pasig city (Ortigas) as different city. from the picture itself, those cities are not that far to each other to justify them as a 'city' or as another entity.

let us compare the size/area of Kuala Lumpur under the KL City Hall's territory with Metro Manila's main cities local authority:

KL : 243.65 km2
Makati : 27.36km2
Manila : 38.55km2
Pasig : 31.00km2
Taguiq : 47.88km2
Quezon: 161.12km2

it may bcoz of the population, but i don't understand the reason to separate them. authorities are not even do very well managing those...so far, only Fort Bonifacio is doing good.
I definitely agree! Non Filipinos will see the whole of Metro Manila as Manila including myself. Having to recognize them as several individual cities can create confusion and disunity. But there are alot of Filipinos who look at Metro Manila as one.

In fact much of the city's economic and poltical activity happens outside of Manila that fact the city's main CBD is in Makati.

Metro Manila need a unifying element.

That's what I like about other Asian cities especially Tokyo. You see it as Shibuya, Tokyo or Shinjuku Tokyo. Not Shibuya, Japan.
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 09:58 AM   #3884
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shanghai is a place where you can see so much spires and a bottle opener.
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 11:15 AM   #3885
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the 'street life' only comes when the office cluster and residential cluster are mixed and located within the same plot/area. if the office towers are only side by side with hotels, then the street life is not really what peoples refer as 'street life'.

the best street life is HK and Bangkok.

HK, the city where shops are on the ground level while houses are on shop. this will create a 24 hrs city. where peoples are easy to move from their home to the shops...

Bangkok, with no clear CBD cluster, where residential are popping everywhere is another good example. the city center is alive 24 hrs.

NY, Tokyo has the same pattern. well, the main reason is the population. the more people in the city, the more livelier it will be....
Yes thats is what i was after.. when you see the pictures it seams that some areas are more commercial with no housing . .

both HK and bangkok are among my favourite cities just for the mix and that they are alive where ever you go.

but i guess i have to try to go to Manilla and see for my self
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 11:31 AM   #3886
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Metro Manila need a unifying element.

That's what I like about other Asian cities especially Tokyo. You see it as Shibuya, Tokyo or Shinjuku Tokyo. Not Shibuya, Japan.
what is that 'unifying elements'? is that 6-lane expressway? ...connecting those cities?

to be a Tokyo-like city, a city needs to have big populations. and the most important thing is, the middle-class and affluent communities must be the majority. citizen's purchasing power has to be high enough to support businesses within the city.

and an excellent public transportation is crucial as being the 'unifying element'.

Manila can be Tokyo-like city. but they need to fulfill the above requirement. that's my opinion...
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 11:36 AM   #3887
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Yes thats is what i was after.. when you see the pictures it seams that some areas are more commercial with no housing . .

both HK and bangkok are among my favourite cities just for the mix and that they are alive where ever you go.

but i guess i have to try to go to Manilla and see for my self
i suggest you go to all SEA's main cities. Jakarta and Kuala Lumpur to do the comparison.

Kuala Lumpur City Hall had foreseen the problem which might happen to KL city center to be a dead city after office hour. as so since the last 10 years, the authority set a target to increase the density inside the city core area.

...unfortunately, the land already become so expensive and only high-end, luxury highrise residentials are seen profitable and practical....
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been to KL many times . . Manilla and Jakarta are the last once on my list.

KL is a great city but for me personally it is a bit to small to get that "world city" feel . .
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 12:00 PM   #3890
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KL merely has around 2 million population. plus a cripple public transportation system. that's why a tourist can't enjoy KL the way they did in Bangkok, HK and Tokyo. so much so, i'm happy with some changing in KL.

KLites also relying to its surburbs which is far from the city center. the most important things to do is...to connect those suburbs to be a megacity. but...as KL is a car city, it can never be like HK, Tokyo or NY. to enjoy KL, you have to have C A R !
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 12:03 PM   #3891
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what is that 'unifying elements'? is that 6-lane expressway? ...connecting those cities?

to be a Tokyo-like city, a city needs to have big populations. and the most important thing is, the middle-class and affluent communities must be the majority. citizen's purchasing power has to be high enough to support businesses within the city.

and an excellent public transportation is crucial as being the 'unifying element'.

Manila can be Tokyo-like city. but they need to fulfill the above requirement. that's my opinion...
That 6 lane highway ironically doesn't pass through Manila

Anyway what I meant of a unifying element is to have these so called cities under Manila instead of being separate cities competing for each other.
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 05:38 PM   #3892
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All cities in ASEAN (SEA) are developing cities for the respective developing countries (except Singapore). As such there are many good as well as bad points for each of those cities.

KL itself is quite small in terms of population mass because almost every local stay miles away from the city. KL city itelf have very little middle class housing (mostly high-end housing), it's hard to find someone who lives above his shop in KL city like in HK. According to Emporis, KL has only 1,800,674 people in the city areas.

With its smaller population and yet KL manages to attract a large chunk of FDIs in SEA proves that it can achieve its vision to be a major city in Asia. Because of its proximity to the Straits of Malacca trading route (the world's busiest), KL today is home to SEA's 2nd best/largest in most economic indicators such as connectivity (port and airport), equity (stock market with 1000 companies listed, financial hub, investment banking), procurement, etc.

It is all these factors that will contribute to the development of the city, the infrastructure growth and of course the skyline as more demand for office space and housing for expatriates. But wonderfully the growth of KL is scatterred across the metropolitan areas, imagine having big company's highrise hq (such as BMW, Ericsson, IBM, Nestle, Deloitte, KPMG) at lowrise housing townships miles away from the city.

Anyway, I believe the most important thing is that all Asian cities must grow co-operatively with other Asian cities, and grow in a balanced way so that the lives of its residents will be improved to Western standards. One thing for sure is that KL is lacking in public transportation, maintenance, history/culture attractions....

(When writing the above I realised that a skyline grows in tandem with the city's activity in TRADE/PORTS??? Not sure.)
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That 6 lane highway ironically doesn't pass through Manila

Anyway what I meant of a unifying element is to have these so called cities under Manila instead of being separate cities competing for each other.
having too many municipal council may have some pros and cons. the pros (which suppose to be); efficiency in term of services, maintainence and social welfare.

while the cons; overlapping of laws and regulations among those authorities which may delay some developments.

i agree that rather competing, those cities better completing each other.
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have not been to Penang for something like 6, 7 years . . i like how it have developed! gotta try to get back there soon!
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what is that 'unifying elements'? is that 6-lane expressway? ...connecting those cities?

to be a Tokyo-like city, a city needs to have big populations. and the most important thing is, the middle-class and affluent communities must be the majority. citizen's purchasing power has to be high enough to support businesses within the city.

and an excellent public transportation is crucial as being the 'unifying element'.

Manila can be Tokyo-like city. but they need to fulfill the above requirement. that's my opinion...
You clearly didn't understand what WANCH was saying. Unifying element means one government for the whole Metro Manila as in having one governor instead having to many mayors and transforming the cities into districts.

Manila is not Tokyo so no need to mention about it. We have a different situation in this city and country. And a city doesn't have to fulfill all those just to be called 'unified'.

"Manila can be Tokyo-like city. but they need to fulfill the above requirement. that's my opinion..."-Did WANCH say that? It only came from you. You just made a subtle attack to Manila.
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You clearly didn't understand what WANCH was saying. Unifying element means one government for the whole Metro Manila as in having one governor instead having to many mayors and transforming the cities into districts.

Manila is not Tokyo so no need to mention about it. We have a different situation in this city and country. And a city doesn't have to fulfill all those just to be called 'unified'.

"Manila can be Tokyo-like city. but they need to fulfill the above requirement. that's my opinion..."-Did WANCH say that? It only came from you. You just made a subtle attack to Manila.
1) when i was mentioning Tokyo, i was referring to its streetlife as it is the main issue there. not the city structure.

2) i have no intention of 'subtle attack to manila'. i was just giving my personal point of views after what i've seen in manila. i was talking with WANCH about streetlife inside the city, and i hope you understand the topic that we've been discussed. if you think Manila is a very sensitive subject here, then i apologize and promise not to mention anything about Manila. Thank you.
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You clearly didn't understand what WANCH was saying. Unifying element means one government for the whole Metro Manila as in having one governor instead having to many mayors and transforming the cities into districts.

Manila is not Tokyo so no need to mention about it. We have a different situation in this city and country. And a city doesn't have to fulfill all those just to be called 'unified'.

"Manila can be Tokyo-like city. but they need to fulfill the above requirement. that's my opinion..."-Did WANCH say that? It only came from you. You just made a subtle attack to Manila.
Ok calm down peoples!

As for Manila, there's suppose to be the MMDA which unite the city within MM, but some mayors within the metro are opposed to it.

MM is one example of an Asian city with no defined city centre. Various commercial centre are almost everywhere. And this result to the various skyline clusters that you see around the city.

Tokyo is the same, there is really no defined centre. Commercial areas have sprouted within the Yamanote Line.
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