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Old June 11th, 2006, 06:40 AM   #401
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True.

Does anyone else feel Tregunter Towers blocks the Peak Tower building from Kowloon waterfront or is that just me?
I don't find anything wrong with The Tregunter.
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Old June 11th, 2006, 07:35 AM   #402
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True although The Union Square Development will become Kowloon's skyline showcase.
The irony is Union Square isn't even in Kowloon's commercial centre. Tsim Sha Tsui and Mongkok are far more important districts but the way they are laid out, the buildings going up along there won't make an impressive skyline from across the harbour. However, it'll look good from the Kai Tak vantage point.
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The irony is Union Square isn't even in Kowloon's commercial centre. Tsim Sha Tsui and Mongkok are far more important districts but the way they are laid out, the buildings going up along there won't make an impressive skyline from across the harbour. However, it'll look good from the Kai Tak vantage point.
True but we're talking about skyline and not development. Yes TST and Mongkok are more important than Union Square but when we talk about skyline, Union Square will become Kowloon's showcase just like what Central Admiralty and Wan Chai are doing for HK Island.
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Old June 11th, 2006, 08:23 AM   #404
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True but we're talking about skyline and not development. Yes TST and Mongkok are more important than Union Square but when we talk about skyline, Union Square will become Kowloon's showcase just like what Central Admiralty and Wan Chai are doing for HK Island.
Actually, Kai Tak will be a much larger showcase for Kowloon than Union Square. Union Square is 1 development. It's just a mix of buildings in a city block. It's not a skyline. Kai Tak's redevelopment is far larger and coupled with nearby skyscrapers in Kowloon Bay and Kwun Tong, that whole stretch of the harbour will be a huge skyline.
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The irony is Union Square isn't even in Kowloon's commercial centre. Tsim Sha Tsui and Mongkok are far more important districts but the way they are laid out, the buildings going up along there won't make an impressive skyline from across the harbour. However, it'll look good from the Kai Tak vantage point.
I'm not so sure about that - Union Square will grow larger in importance...

US7, US5 and US6 will create large enough office space to ensure that - it'll be like the Pacific Place stage.
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Actually, Kai Tak will be a much larger showcase for Kowloon than Union Square. Union Square is 1 development. It's just a mix of buildings in a city block. It's not a skyline. Kai Tak's redevelopment is far larger and coupled with nearby skyscrapers in Kowloon Bay and Kwun Tong, that whole stretch of the harbour will be a huge skyline.
It remains to be seen.
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Old June 11th, 2006, 07:30 PM   #407
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It remains to be seen.
In fact, looking at the photos from Kowloon Bay and east, there is more spread-out development along that coast, although the buildings are not as tall as Union Square.





However, Union Square's developments are blocking each other out, so there isn't much outside that quadrant at all.
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Hong Kong is definitely better than Shanghai right now but the completion of SWFC will make Shanghai much more of a contendor. The Luijazui skyline will look much more convincing with the addition of SWFC. It will match (in fact slightly exceed) Hong Kong's ICC in height and match Hong Kong's Bank of China in beauty. ICC is being added to the Kowloon skyline rather than the main skyline of Hong Kong Island so, in terms of a single skyline view, it cannot serve as Hong Kong's answer to SWFC. However Hong Kong will always have the advantage of the hills and density of the skyline spread along a much longer waterfront than Pudong.

Third place is between Singapore and Tokyo. The view from the top of the Roppongi Hills Tower shows a truly gargantuan metropolis with several clusters of futuristic scrapers connected by the Metropolitan Expressway (looks stunning by night). The most impressive of these is Shinjuku but even Shinjuku cannot match the perfectly clustered slender elegance of Singapore's skyline dominated by its big three. Singapore has the best cluster skyline in the world (indeed until completion of SWFC it's better than Shanghai's Lujiazui) but it's still debatable whether that can take it past the sheer scale of Tokyo's phenomenal cityscape with its' galaxy of blinking red lights extending in every direction.
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Hong Kong is definitely better than Shanghai right now but the completion of SWFC will make Shanghai much more of a contendor. The Luijazui skyline will look much more convincing with the addition of SWFC. It will match (in fact slightly exceed) Hong Kong's ICC in height and match Hong Kong's Bank of China in beauty. ICC is being added to the Kowloon skyline rather than the main skyline of Hong Kong Island so, in terms of a single skyline view, it cannot serve as Hong Kong's answer to SWFC. However Hong Kong will always have the advantage of the hills and density of the skyline spread along a much longer waterfront than Pudong.

Third place is between Singapore and Tokyo. The view from the top of the Roppongi Hills Tower shows a truly gargantuan metropolis with several clusters of futuristic scrapers connected by the Metropolitan Expressway (looks stunning by night). The most impressive of these is Shinjuku but even Shinjuku cannot match the perfectly clustered slender elegance of Singapore's skyline dominated by its big three. Singapore has the best cluster skyline in the world (indeed until completion of SWFC it's better than Shanghai's Lujiazui) but it's still debatable whether that can take it past the sheer scale of Tokyo's phenomenal cityscape with its' galaxy of blinking red lights extending in every direction.
Again, it's yet to be seen if Shanghai can match HK once The SWFC is completed. As for The SWFC, height yes but beauty, The BoC looks so much better. Only a few scrapers can match The BoC and is very iconic.

As for Singapore, I find HK's cluster much better
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I don't think it's fair to compare Hong Kong's skyline with Pudong. There is a far larger mass of skyscrapers in Puxi - the traditional heart of Shanghai. I'd say Pudong to be a Shanghai version of Kowloon's skyscraper boom.
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I don't think it's fair to compare Hong Kong's skyline with Pudong. There is a far larger mass of skyscrapers in Puxi - the traditional heart of Shanghai. I'd say Pudong to be a Shanghai version of Kowloon's skyscraper boom.
Better to compare Pudong with Central
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Better to compare Pudong with Central
Central? I don't think so. The pace of development in Pudong is rapid, much like the West Kowloon area. While Pudong is trying to become the new financial centre of Shanghai, stealing the attention from Puxi, West Kowloon is trying to become an alternative hub to Central, being only one subway stop away from across the harbour.
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Central? I don't think so. The pace of development in Pudong is rapid, much like the West Kowloon area. While Pudong is trying to become the new financial centre of Shanghai, stealing the attention from Puxi, West Kowloon is trying to become an alternative hub to Central, being only one subway stop away from across the harbour.
What I meant is skylines. Central and Pudong can be comparable in skylines.
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What I meant is skylines. Central and Pudong can be comparable in skylines.
I don't think a district as small as Central can be considered a skyline. Hong Kong's trademark skyline stretches at least 3 districts, which includes Central, Admiralty, and Wan Chai :

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Central's tallest building is 2 IFC, but the district isn't even home to the Bank of China and The Centre, which are two key pillars in the skyline. What is the skyline? Just 2 IFC and a few other buildings. That doens't give much relevance in a comparison.

Pudong, meanwhile, contains a whole series of skyscrapers, and not merely a small section of it like Central. Pudong is like Union Square - a series of related skyscrapers built over a short period. If Pudong is successful and once it is complete, then it might be comparable to Central, Wan Chai, and Admiralty - the financial distrct.
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I don't think a district as small as Central can be considered a skyline. Hong Kong's trademark skyline stretches at least 3 districts, which includes Central, Admiralty, and Wan Chai :

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Central's tallest building is 2 IFC, but the district isn't even home to the Bank of China and The Centre, which are two key pillars in the skyline. What is the skyline? Just 2 IFC and a few other buildings. That doens't give much relevance in a comparison.

Pudong, meanwhile, contains a whole series of skyscrapers, and not merely a small section of it like Central. Pudong is like Union Square - a series of related skyscrapers built over a short period. If Pudong is successful and once it is complete, then it might be comparable to Central, Wan Chai, and Admiralty - the financial distrct.
How about 4 districts including Sheung Wan
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How about 4 districts including Sheung Wan
Sheung Wan isn't a major multinational or financial hub. It's more geared towards lesser-quality buildings (not Grade A), so I wouldn't group it with the 3 main districts.
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Sheung Wan isn't a major multinational or financial hub. It's more geared towards lesser-quality buildings (not Grade A), so I wouldn't group it with the 3 main districts.
True but some of HK's tallest buildings are there
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True but some of HK's tallest buildings are there
Not really. Sheung Wan only has The Centre, which is 4th tallest in the city now. The rest are very short buildings. The next entry is 15th-place Cosco Tower at 228 m and that's pretty much it. Its height profile is far shorter than Admiralty, Wan Chai, and Central.

Meanwhile, Kowloon has some very tall buildings, such as Victoria Towers, Union Square, and Langham Place. Yet when people talk about the Hong Kong skyline, they think about the Island (Central, Wan Chai, Admiralty).

Even the Belcher's in Western are very tall and high up on the height list. Yet I doubt those buildings will propel Western into a forefront skyline district.
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I have a few more photos showing the old buildings and the canyons in Sham Shui Po :









Actually Hong Kong's gritty buildings are affecting their lives. Look at the news everywhere in the world now. They are reporting that Hong Kong is suffering from very bad pollution thts worst then comparable cities like London and new York. Polluion in Hong Kong is getting worst because of the canyon of skyscrapers that trap all the foul air. Hong Kong also has very few trees beacuse of these buildings, making the air filthier and filthier day by day. Also it is drving away talents because many people do not want their children to stay in Hong Kong which is dangerous because of pollution that kills thousands a year. So sometimes I think although skyscrapers and "gritty" image looks really cool, ( I feel its cool too, especially Hong Kong), but it really gives adverse effects to the country and its people.
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Actually Hong Kong's gritty buildings are affecting their lives. Look at the news everywhere in the world now. They are reporting that Hong Kong is suffering from very bad pollution thts worst then comparable cities like London and new York. Polluion in Hong Kong is getting worst because of the canyon of skyscrapers that trap all the foul air. Hong Kong also has very few trees beacuse of these buildings, making the air filthier and filthier day by day. Also it is drving away talents because many people do not want their children to stay in Hong Kong which is dangerous because of pollution that kills thousands a year. So sometimes I think although skyscrapers and "gritty" image looks really cool, ( I feel its cool too, especially Hong Kong), but it really gives adverse effects to the country and its people.
Gritty builidings are actually HK ghetto trademarks Yes the conditions for most of these buildings are bad but at least most of it's residents have a better standard of living compared to other countries.
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