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Old November 28th, 2015, 04:36 AM   #10401
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It's odd that you mentioned HK has a higher train ridership. Tokyo's metro system is the busiest in the world!
I think he meant only HK has a higher public transit mode share which is true.
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Old November 28th, 2015, 04:45 AM   #10402
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Where are the skylines? I think you're misunderstanding what a "skyline" means. Commieblocks and one low rise apartment building is not a skyline. The first two-three pictures show it basically. Anyway discounting the commieblocks Singapore more or less has a nice organized CBD while Tokyo is just a giant mess with many clusters, some of which are equivalent in scope to singapores. The point still stands fine. Now the question is do we value a uniform skyline like Yokohama, Singapore (CBD), Paris la defense, virtually every American city or giant mass of buildings like Tokyo.
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sengkang has highrises on that pic

while those blocks stand about 30 storey above.


I have been to Tokyo in 2012 for 4-5 days. I personally feel Tokyo has a big skyline but theres nothing stand out from each skyline. Its really a mess and the design looks like in the 80s or 90s. lack of glassy buildings. I think only shinjuku looks interesting with nice skyline cluster


btw la defense or yokohama is really small compared to singapore skyline. I think singapore skyline size comparable to KL, manila and chicago
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Old November 28th, 2015, 04:48 AM   #10403
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Old November 28th, 2015, 04:50 AM   #10404
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If you are including commieblocks and apartment buildings as "skylines" than Seoul, Tokyo, Osaka, Shanghai and basically every other Chinese city have thousands of skylines lol.

As for your opinion that's fine, but the pics speak for themselves each of tokyos main clusters are approximately equivalent to Singapore but yes they are disorganized and far from each other that has been my entire point!

As for the size of Yokohama and la defense it is completely irrelevant we are talking about the type of skylines, they are the same type as Singapore which is a concentration of skyscrapers in the CBD.
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Old November 28th, 2015, 05:50 AM   #10405
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Old November 28th, 2015, 08:09 AM   #10406
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As a % of commuters Hong Kong is higher though. As for Taipei 101 it was built recently which is my point...since the mid 90s or so it is no longer terribly expensive to build supertalls in earthquake countries but Japan's economy boom ended 20 years ago to take advantage of this.
But The Skytree was only recent.

On the other hand, there were several planned mega-tall / arcologies for Tokyo but were more visionaries.

The most impressive was Lord Norman Foster's Millennium Tower.

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Old November 28th, 2015, 08:11 AM   #10407
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If you are including commieblocks and apartment buildings as "skylines" than Seoul, Tokyo, Osaka, Shanghai and basically every other Chinese city have thousands of skylines lol.

As for your opinion that's fine, but the pics speak for themselves each of tokyos main clusters are approximately equivalent to Singapore but yes they are disorganized and far from each other that has been my entire point!

As for the size of Yokohama and la defense it is completely irrelevant we are talking about the type of skylines, they are the same type as Singapore which is a concentration of skyscrapers in the CBD.
Basically the cluster-type of skyline.
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Old November 28th, 2015, 08:37 AM   #10408
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Old November 28th, 2015, 03:21 PM   #10409
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If you are including commieblocks and apartment buildings as "skylines" than Seoul, Tokyo, Osaka, Shanghai and basically every other Chinese city have thousands of skylines lol.

As for your opinion that's fine, but the pics speak for themselves each of tokyos main clusters are approximately equivalent to Singapore but yes they are disorganized and far from each other that has been my entire point!

As for the size of Yokohama and la defense it is completely irrelevant we are talking about the type of skylines, they are the same type as Singapore which is a concentration of skyscrapers in the CBD.
I think marounouchi district also not considered as skyline as all the buildings looks like high rise office. This is comparable to buona vista

While shinjunku is the same density as raffles place-tanjong pagar district

The one around tokyo tower has the same skyline amount with orchard road

And the one with sky tree is about twice of rochor district.

Overall i would say they are relatively not much by difference.

In fact singapore has more than 200m buildings and majority in raffles place-tanjong pagar district. Moreover many projects u/c with height above 150m in that area and With the latest addition of 290m, singapore has 6-7 towers above 250m. Tokyo has skytree which is awesome but its a tower and located far from the skyline.

I guess its all back to own preference. U may prefer large skyline while i prefer organised skyline with glassy buildings and modern skyscrapers. If u have been driving around orchard district, there are many modern sleek high end residential around there.

I sometimes see tokyo resemble to seoul but tokyo is definitely better than seoul. Singapore financial district resemble more to san fransisco as the uob tower has almost similar design
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Old November 28th, 2015, 07:16 PM   #10410
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I can't let that one pass. Marunouchi-Outemachi has several towers of 200m+ and an average height of somewhere around 180m - that's not a high-rise cluster. Also Tokyo actually consists of a lot more 'skylines' than you mentioned and even those you mentioned are actually bigger and taller than you seem to think (at least looking at what parts of sg you compared them with and apart from shinjuku). as you mentioned sg has certainly more buildings above 250m though.
overall those two cities still are far too different to be compared like that with each other. singapore has quite a lot towers above 200m in one big cbd and lots of smaller towers in small groups, tokyo has lots and lots of towers between 150m and 250m but they're spread all over the city where they form to little and sometimes even big clusters - and both are great that way. that's all that matters!
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Old November 28th, 2015, 11:10 PM   #10411
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The point is still the same: Tokyo has several clusters many rivaling singapores CBD in size, posting commieblocks or a single apartment/condo building doesn't change what I said at all. I am not sure you totally understand what a skyline is. Seoul must be the king of skylines to you judging by the pictures you chose. Nobody said anything about what is better so why even mention glassy buildings or architecture? Who said anything about it? I never said any cluster looks better than Singapore, don't get so defensive

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I can't let that one pass. Marunouchi-Outemachi has several towers of 200m+ and an average height of somewhere around 180m - that's not a high-rise cluster. Also Tokyo actually consists of a lot more 'skylines' than you mentioned and even those you mentioned are actually bigger and taller than you seem to think (at least looking at what parts of sg you compared them with and apart from shinjuku).
No idea how marunouchi can not be considered a skyline but you pretty much countered that perfectly. Also your point about 'skylines' is exactly correct, and it's not even necessarily a positive I explicitly said depending on your opinion it can make the city an ugly mess. Not sure what the argument even is?
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In Fact , Tokyo has a gigantic skyline :


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Gigantic in term of low white rise which is like few storey high shop houses.

And i nvr say seoul is king of skyline. I said tokyo is better than seoul and they do have some similarities as the gangnam district resemble tokyo tower area.


Because what u said a single cbd in tokyo will be able to match the skyline of whole singapore which makes me amazed. Singapore has more than half of skyscrapers in tokyo. What makes u said that?
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Old November 28th, 2015, 11:21 PM   #10414
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You are not reading correctly and or basically taking things too personally imo.
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Old November 28th, 2015, 11:23 PM   #10415
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But The Skytree was only recent.
Yup but it's a tv tower which I'm assuming is cheaper to make than a 634m office building.
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Old November 28th, 2015, 11:36 PM   #10416
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In Fact , Tokyo has a gigantic skyline :
Good pic but the only way to make all of Tokyo to look like a single skyline is by going way out in saitama:


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hands down, For me Tokyo is the Father of all skylines in asia .. Tokyo is one of the earliest cities to have a huge skyline in asia... and others followed
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hands down, For me Tokyo is the Father of all skylines in asia .. Tokyo is one of the earliest cities to have a huge skyline in asia... and others followed
Not really , Tokyo started building vertically way after HK for example , the title of Asia's Father of skylines belong to HK I think ...
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Tokyo shouldn't even be compared to Singapore especially when it comes to skyline. Both cities have a different layout for such.
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I think marounouchi district also not considered as skyline as all the buildings looks like high rise office. This is comparable to buona vista

While shinjunku is the same density as raffles place-tanjong pagar district

The one around tokyo tower has the same skyline amount with orchard road

And the one with sky tree is about twice of rochor district.

Overall i would say they are relatively not much by difference.

In fact singapore has more than 200m buildings and majority in raffles place-tanjong pagar district. Moreover many projects u/c with height above 150m in that area and With the latest addition of 290m, singapore has 6-7 towers above 250m. Tokyo has skytree which is awesome but its a tower and located far from the skyline.

I guess its all back to own preference. U may prefer large skyline while i prefer organised skyline with glassy buildings and modern skyscrapers. If u have been driving around orchard district, there are many modern sleek high end residential around there.

I sometimes see tokyo resemble to seoul but tokyo is definitely better than seoul. Singapore financial district resemble more to san fransisco as the uob tower has almost similar design
You mean Los Angeles. The UOB more resembles US Bank Tower though the latter is taller and has a larger base.
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