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Old January 29th, 2007, 09:48 AM   #1121
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is it true that in a few years dubai will overtake hongkong?, I read it in a forum here i just can't remember what part of this site.
Even if Dubai has The Burj, several supertalls being built and new high-rise developments. It will take them a long time to reach or even beat HK's level.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 12:40 PM   #1122
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is it true that in a few years dubai will overtake hongkong?, I read it in a forum here i just can't remember what part of this site.
In what sense though? Dubai's financial markets are very small still although they are growing rapidly.

In buildings, there are a lot more highrise residentials in HK over Dubai. It'll take quite a long time before Dubai can catch up.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 12:47 PM   #1123
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I think Shanghai is the closest rival to HK. They have height and density. The only thing they lack are the amount of landmark scrapers. Ok there's the Jin Mao and soon to be SWFC. They are also some nice ones in Puxi but are not that recognizable compared to those scrapers you see in Central or Admiralty
I don't think Shanghai lacks landmark skyscrapers at all. Jin Mao is a major anchor, and SWFC is rising rapidly. Oriental Pearl is also next door. All three together will form a major visual anchor to the Pudong skyline. Puxi will always be famous for the Bund, but there are a number of landmark areas as well, such as the New World Tower (that whole stretch is a big shopping area), the Marriott opposite People's Square, and a couple more buildings to the west.

In fact, Shanghai's new skyscrapers are far more bold and daring in design. They're all very aggressive, whereas Hong Kong only has a couple of major bold architectural statements. Shanghai has quite a lot more of them. HK's architectural landmarks are concentrated, while in Shanghai they are more scattered, so people who don't venture outside the main tourist spots will likely miss them.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 01:03 PM   #1124
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56 pages long, wow. And it's still Hong Kong.
Agree. This thread should be closed. Instead, a thread on "Asia's Second Best Skyline", "Third Best", etc. etc. should be opened
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Old January 29th, 2007, 05:11 PM   #1125
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I don't think Shanghai lacks landmark skyscrapers at all. Jin Mao is a major anchor, and SWFC is rising rapidly. Oriental Pearl is also next door. All three together will form a major visual anchor to the Pudong skyline. Puxi will always be famous for the Bund, but there are a number of landmark areas as well, such as the New World Tower (that whole stretch is a big shopping area), the Marriott opposite People's Square, and a couple more buildings to the west.

In fact, Shanghai's new skyscrapers are far more bold and daring in design. They're all very aggressive, whereas Hong Kong only has a couple of major bold architectural statements. Shanghai has quite a lot more of them. HK's architectural landmarks are concentrated, while in Shanghai they are more scattered, so people who don't venture outside the main tourist spots will likely miss them.
Like I said, The Jin Mao or SWFC are exceptions. Other Shanghai skyscrapers are futuristic in design but they don't have the recognition compared to some of HK's known scrapers.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 05:43 PM   #1126
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Like I said, The Jin Mao or SWFC are exceptions. Other Shanghai skyscrapers are futuristic in design but they don't have the recognition compared to some of HK's known scrapers.
Recognition and architectural merit don't always correlate. Shanghai is unfairly judged because it does not receive as much international attention as Hong Kong, but it's a logical error to claim Hong Kong's buildings are more prominent and important architecturally because Shanghai isn't as well known or well visited by international travelers.

Shanghai's architectural landmarks still exist even though people might be ignorant and not know about them.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 07:00 PM   #1127
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From what I've seen here so far, hkskyline has excellent knowledge and perception of a lot of things, and I will have to trust his views on Dubai. (Granted I've only been here a month) I certainly hope that Dubai's skyline won't beat out HKs (I don't believe it will, Hong Kong, like New York, has a bit of history (though granted, not nearly as rich as New Yorks), and this history helps add a bit of variety and taste to Hong Kong's skyline, and the mountain backdrop is the one thing that helps make Hong Kong's skyline unique (both aesthetically and practically, as without it, Hong Kong may very well have become Los Angeles). With the addition of Kowloon, Hong Kong's skyline will take a new perspective to entirely comprehend, which should be refreshing for a while.

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Recognition and architectural merit don't always correlate. Shanghai is unfairly judged because it does not receive as much international attention as Hong Kong, but it's a logical error to claim Hong Kong's buildings are more prominent and important architecturally because Shanghai isn't as well known or well visited by international travelers.

Shanghai's architectural landmarks still exist even though people might be ignorant and not know about them.
In terms of skyline, though, does architectural merit necessarily beat recognition in terms of the judgment of skyline? Granted, Shanghai's towers may not be as recognizable as Hong Kong's, and architectural merit, of course, is a widely subjective debate, but Hong Kong's skyline absolutely trumps that of Shanghai, whose skyline lacks the coherent feel of many other cities. From some angles (from what I've seen), the tall towers and the short ones contrast too much for the skyline to be aesthetically pleasing.

However, in Shanghai's defense, I recently read a TIME article about Shanghai, and the contrast it has across the river. I believe the article mentioned something about how Shanghai has no present, only the future on one side, and the past on the other. That, I have to say, is something that I really want to experience first hand, and something Hong Kong does not have (at least, not in as much contrast as Shanghai).
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:02 AM   #1128
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SEOUL... the capital city of unified KOREA

Seoul does not have ultra skyscraper but this city is one of the chief metropolises in East Asia...








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Old January 30th, 2007, 05:02 AM   #1129
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In fairness, Seoul has a dense skyline. And the KL 63 building did make it as a landmark scraper in SC3000 Unlimited
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Old January 30th, 2007, 05:59 AM   #1130
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Seoul's skyscrapers are fairly scattered out. The area around KL 63 is not too dense, and the central core area doesn't have that many skyscrapers packed together. However, there are a number of pockets with a lot of skyscapers, so Seoul's skyline is fairly clustered all over the map.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 07:09 AM   #1131
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How about Pyongyang
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Old January 30th, 2007, 08:13 AM   #1132
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How about Pyongyang
Their biggest building is a crumbling, unfinished hotel. They have a lot of buildings, but I don't think many of us in this forum have been there to physically see the skyline. I've only reached as far as the DMZ on the South side.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 08:19 AM   #1133
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If you're not a US citizen, you can go the NK. Right?

Someday, I might go back to being a Philippine citizen, just to go the NK.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 08:26 AM   #1134
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Their biggest building is a crumbling, unfinished hotel. They have a lot of buildings, but I don't think many of us in this forum have been there to physically see the skyline. I've only reached as far as the DMZ on the South side.
Pyongyang's skyline is dense mostly high-rise commieblocks. And to those visiting Pyongyang, I think they are only limited to certain parts of the city or are even forbidden to enter these blocks

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True. There is a road where foreigners can go through because mid-rises hide the slums in the back.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 09:35 AM   #1136
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True. There is a road where foreigners can go through because mid-rises hide the slums in the back.
I don't think Pyongyang has any slums. Note North Korea is a communist country where almost everyone is the same class.

Instead of slum, you'll find the hundreds of high-rise commieblocks throughout the city.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 10:27 AM   #1138
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Pyongyang's skyline is dense mostly high-rise commieblocks. And to those visiting Pyongyang, I think they are only limited to certain parts of the city or are even forbidden to enter these blocks
Foreigners cannot enter North Korea freely. They must apply for a visa and most likely need to be accompanied by a local tour guide, hence there are a lot of restriction is what can be seen. In fact, although I was along the South's DMZ, taking pictures towards the North was strictly forbidden. Technically, the war has not yet ended.
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Foreigners cannot enter North Korea freely. They must apply for a visa and most likely need to be accompanied by a local tour guide, hence there are a lot of restriction is what can be seen. In fact, although I was along the South's DMZ, taking pictures towards the North was strictly forbidden. Technically, the war has not yet ended.
its not just that but The Koryo Hotel is the only one where foreign tourists can stay. Also, foreign tourists are not allowed to roam outside the hotel.

As for Seoul, it is a huge city but it's population is slowly declining
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