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Old May 3rd, 2007, 06:29 PM   #1561
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No, dont blame it to the foreign workers
In kampung baru for example, most of the resident are Malaysian
Im not saying that foreing worker didnt bring problem to KL
But for this slum issue, I believe foreign worker contribute less percentage

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some of the statement are just to defend their pride and blame it to others
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Old May 3rd, 2007, 07:13 PM   #1562
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Old May 3rd, 2007, 07:55 PM   #1563
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Old May 3rd, 2007, 08:01 PM   #1564
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No, dont blame it to the foreign workers
In kampung baru for example, most of the resident are Malaysian
Im not saying that foreing worker didnt bring problem to KL
But for this slum issue, I believe foreign worker contribute less percentage

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dont take what ppl said to you 100%
some of the statement are just to defend their pride and blame it to others
I'm sorry that you feel offended :hugs:

To put it simply, KL's "slums" are not that "slummy" after all... Nonetheless, what they say about illegal immigrants living in "slums" is somewhat true as most of them are without proper power & water supply and crime rates tend to be higher in some of these places. They normally appear near a construction area or deep in the woods where no one would easily trace them.

Kampung Baru cannot be considered as "slum" as it is right in the middle of the city & it's quite well-maintained. Its ironic status - being the Tanah Simpanan Melayu (Malay-kept Land) hinders it from being developed. Yet, many residents there, can own a few cars and live luxuriously.

For some of the areas in KL that (in my standard) are closer to what people call slums, I would say the kampung in Segambut Dalam (next to Mont Kiara) & some kampungs in Setapak/Jelatek, to name a few, and I believe most residents there are Malaysians who refuse to move out waiting for easy & abundant compensation
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Old May 3rd, 2007, 09:09 PM   #1565
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No, dont blame it to the foreign workers
In kampung baru for example, most of the resident are Malaysian
Im not saying that foreing worker didnt bring problem to KL
But for this slum issue, I believe foreign worker contribute less percentage

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dont take what ppl said to you 100%
some of the statement are just to defend their pride and blame it to others
Ohh...i'm sorry if you're offended when i mentioned Indonesian workers but the fact is foreigners do make up a large percentage of the illegal squatters and 'slums' in KL. I see them with my own eyes and of course i can differentiate locals and foreigners. Another good example would be Kayu Ara but the local council had demolished most of them to make way for new developments.

Like i said, it is arguable whether to label Kampung Baru a slum. Lastresorter already clarified that it has a special status which hinders it from development and like i said some of the residents there live in luxury (They can afford satelite TV, own a few cars etc.). Otherwise, they would be the first 'slum' to go considering its close vicinity to KLCC.

Blue_sky. I did not intend to offend anyone.

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Old May 4th, 2007, 04:55 AM   #1566
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Its ok my Malaysian forumers
I just want to point out some correction to paw

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For some of the areas in KL that (in my standard) are closer to what people call slums, I would say the kampung in Segambut Dalam (next to Mont Kiara) & some kampungs in Setapak/Jelatek, to name a few, and I believe most residents there are Malaysians who refuse to move out waiting for easy & abundant compensation
How about some wooden house in front of Mid Valley? they can easily spotted from the highway and really an eyesore, if u using LRT than more slums can be seen next to some rivers near Maluri station. any way this is a skyline thread, why would we bother to discuss about slum

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Old May 4th, 2007, 05:49 AM   #1567
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The last pic to me is my favourite vantage point to picture HK's skyline from The Peak.

Anyway, KL may have it's bad parts but it's not as gritty as those in other Asian cities.
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Old May 4th, 2007, 06:28 AM   #1568
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Bangkok is far more grittier than KL.
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Bangkok is far more grittier than KL.
I even look at HK grittier than BKK
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Old May 4th, 2007, 06:34 AM   #1570
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I even look at HK grittier than BKK
Bangkok is still considerably poorer than Hong Kong. HK has cleaned up its act especially on the street level a while ago.
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Bangkok is still considerably poorer than Hong Kong. HK has cleaned up its act especially on the street level a while ago.
It has. Anyway with the case of KL, the city is well planned and developed that in the movie Entrapment, they have to render the scene a bit to make the city grittier and more exotic.
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Old May 4th, 2007, 07:58 AM   #1572
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KL is pretty developed but certainly not well-planned as opposed to general perception. KL has not undergone a phase-by-phase redevelopment like Singapore did. What KL has been doing is only to improve the system left over by the British, and to come out with better ones in new areas while compromises with the old ones. This is especially visible in the city - just compare the Chinatown area to KLCC.
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Old May 4th, 2007, 08:08 AM   #1573
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How about some wooden house in front of Mid Valley? they can easily spotted from the highway and really an eyesore, if u using LRT than more slums can be seen next to some rivers near Maluri station. any way this is a skyline thread, why would we bother to discuss about slum

Similarly, that's Kampung Abdullah Hukum & Kerinchi... they are both Tanah Simpanan Melayu (the same case as Kampung Baru) - under the federal constitution the lands are not allowed to be taken away from them. I'm not sure about the one in Maluri. Nonetheless, thanks to Midvalley, Abdullah Hukum & Kerinchi are seeing a major change now and if you observe carefully, there are many colourful low-cost apartments rising there... I think it's a matter of time these kampungs are gone...
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Old May 4th, 2007, 08:54 AM   #1574
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KL is pretty developed but certainly not well-planned as opposed to general perception. KL has not undergone a phase-by-phase redevelopment like Singapore did. What KL has been doing is only to improve the system left over by the British, and to come out with better ones in new areas while compromises with the old ones. This is especially visible in the city - just compare the Chinatown area to KLCC.
True. But I think it's also the same in other Malaysian cities such as Georgetown.
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It has. Anyway with the case of KL, the city is well planned and developed that in the movie Entrapment, they have to render the scene a bit to make the city grittier and more exotic.

There are more grittier parts to KL, such as Chinatown. But overall from a planning perspective, KL wasn't centrally-planned on as large of a scale as Shanghai Pudong or even Beijing. Even Putrajaya's scale is small compared to other projects in the region.
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Old May 4th, 2007, 05:43 PM   #1576
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I have never heard of those refugees from Myanmar but I only heard of those fleeing to Thailand.
there are quit number of 'Rohingya refugees' (minority myanmar...mostly muslim) in Selayang(suburb of KL)...in fact people calls that place as 'little myanmar'
their existance is a big problem since their job is just a money begger...
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Blue_sky. I did not intend to offend anyone.
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Blue_sky, since you are living in KL, you should know more about kampung baru..


taken from virtualmalaysia.com
Kampung Baru is the oldest Malay residential area in Kuala Lumpur. About ten minutes away from Chow Kit Market, it was founded in 1899 and there are still authentic traditional Malay wooden houses there. On Saturday evenings, one section of Kampung Baru is a hive of activity. The reason: the Pasar Minggu, or Sunday Market, that starts from 6 pm on Saturday evenings and ends in the wee hours of Sunday morning, at 1 am.

This market has a totally Malay feel to it, and this is obvious in the style of jewellery and clothes, in the type of fabric, the varied tastes of Malay cooking and in the make of the handicraft on sale.


it is a matter of time kampung baru would be refurbished..

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view from Bangsar neighborhood...

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kampung baru is on the left side of the photo...

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Right now, KL's skyline looks spectacular but with some planned supertalls surrounding the Petronas, will it still look nice in the future?
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