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Old June 15th, 2007, 01:19 PM   #1761
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Old June 15th, 2007, 01:22 PM   #1762
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with population reaching billions, no wonder China has such massive skyscraper.
btw, how much does it cost for 1 unit of condo in china?(the standard condo, not the luxury one)
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Old June 15th, 2007, 01:53 PM   #1763
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with population reaching billions, no wonder China has such massive skyscraper.
btw, how much does it cost for 1 unit of condo in china?(the standard condo, not the luxury one)
China is still the most populous country but most of the baby boomers have reached old age.
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Old June 15th, 2007, 02:39 PM   #1764
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Alot of high-rises in Japanese and Korean cities are mostly residential. Both countries have built high density housing estates in major cities such as Tokyo or Seoul. More called Danchis in Japan.
The same goes for Hong Kong. Seoul and Hong Kong are large cities after all, so it's not surprising to have masses of residential skyscrapers. Tokyo, on the other hand, has a lot of mid-rises even in the urban core. I don't think they have the mass public housing block concept that is quite embedded in Seoul and Hong Kong.
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Old June 15th, 2007, 02:41 PM   #1765
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I won't be that surprised if China's construction is greater than of ASEAN cities. China's cities are dense.
Chinese cities are actually not that dense. While new areas have a lot of skyscrapers, they're far more spacious than Hong Kong. It seems like they're trying hard to achieve a density balance. Also, having a Dubai-style developmental model is not feasible, especially with the central government trying to cool the economy. Creating a supply glut won't help sales either. Why build buildings to have them sit empty for an economic cycle?
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Old June 15th, 2007, 02:42 PM   #1766
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China is still the most populous country but most of the baby boomers have reached old age.
China's aging problem is not that big right now, unlike the West and especially Japan. The demographic model is still not at the full maturity levels yet, so the percentage of elderly is still reasonable compared to the number of the young. A generation down the road, however, the one child policy may accelerate the rise in the proportion of the old though.
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Old June 15th, 2007, 03:03 PM   #1767
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btw, how much does it cost for 1 unit of condo in china?(the standard condo, not the luxury one)
price differe by different place or catologes.
super cities like beijing and shanghai, 1300 usd/ a square meter averagely.
large cities like the capital of province, 1000 usd/ a square meter averagely
small citys like counites, solds 700 usd /a square meter

by west and east
east cities condo price is 900 usd/a square meter
west cities condo price is about 500 usd/a square meter.
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Old June 15th, 2007, 07:59 PM   #1768
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I dunno if this was posted before. Anyway, Metro Manila, Philippines.
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Old June 16th, 2007, 04:06 AM   #1769
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price differe by different place or catologes.
super cities like beijing and shanghai, 1300 usd/ a square meter averagely.
large cities like the capital of province, 1000 usd/ a square meter averagely
small citys like counites, solds 700 usd /a square meter

by west and east
east cities condo price is 900 usd/a square meter
west cities condo price is about 500 usd/a square meter.
OMG! that's super expensive for a standard condo...it almost same price with supercondo in KL...even higher!
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Old June 16th, 2007, 05:33 AM   #1770
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I nominate Hong Kong or Shanghai as the "best" today -- partly because they are both locked in a race to see who can build the most futuristic-looking and attention-getting skyline.

Manila (Makati) isn't bad in the sense that unlike Hong Kong or Shanghai, it hasn't got that self-conscious artificial (though visually impressive) feel of the other two -- it's more genuine of a big city. Sorry to say, but Manila is also much poorer than Hong Kong -- so given its economic development, it is all the more impressive.

Tokyo should win this in theory but for years they have been afraid of skyscrapers. They are trying to catch up now, with the redevelopment of Shinbashi / Shidome complex as an example, or the outrageously extravagant (and artificial-looking) Odaiba. The towers of Shinjuku are mediocre and unimaginative at best -- a few exceptional gems like the Tokyo Metropolitan Hall aren't enough to make up for the other crappy concrete monstrosities. Tokyo is redeveloping, and the improving economy should help move things forward over the next 10 years, but until then, it will be be disappointing given its wealth and status -- not only of Japan, but as the world's largest city.

Bangkok is certainly a lot more impressive since the last time I visited in the 90s (when the building boom really took off, then faltered and now restarted). But the problem with BKK is that its city planning is reminiscent of Los Angeles -- a cluster here, a stash there -- limited visual appeal and horrendous traffic just to get there (you are seriously better off walking for miles unless you happen to be on the train lines).

Jakarta has got a lot of catching up to do - but it is a function of economic development.

Seoul is not bad -- but given the advanced economic development of Korea, I think it should do better.

Taipei is also disappointing for its economic development and size -- everyone else is in seismic zones and have airports as well, so I am not sure what the excuse is.

Singapore and KL really don't have the scale (the 3 - 4 million or so in each, versus the 10 - 20 million in the other ones), so they come across as dense wannabes.

It will be interesting to see how Mumbai and Delhi try to reinvent themselves -- particularly Mumbai is desperately trying to assert itself as the next Shanghai. But the limited penninsular land, and the massive ownership / displacement / infrastructure problems -- it will be interesting to see how those are overcome. Given the sweeping penninsula of Mumbai jutting out to the Arabian Sea, the views could be incredible.
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Old June 16th, 2007, 06:03 AM   #1771
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this bunch of pix only proves how trashy seoul skyline is... hongkong skyline has always been so gorgeous.
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Old June 16th, 2007, 12:57 PM   #1772
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Of course Hong Kong as it is the best in the world as well...
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Old June 17th, 2007, 04:29 AM   #1773
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OMG! that's super expensive for a standard condo...it almost same price with supercondo in KL...even higher!
really? i know from a website that KL is much richer than shanghai, lower condo price than shanghai?
a condon in shanghai lujiazui called 汤臣一品 sold 15000 usd per square meter, and that's only condo, not villa or townhouse.
in my small city, 300 square meters villa solds 0.7 million averagely.
but shanghai white collor's income is quite high, 10000 usd per year is not a very difficult thing. white collor worker averagely earn 8000 usd per year.
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south korea is impressive, do you have large pics? skyline fan?
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really? i know from a website that KL is much richer than shanghai, lower condo price than shanghai?
a condon in shanghai lujiazui called 汤臣一品 sold 15000 usd per square meter, and that's only condo, not villa or townhouse.
in my small city, 300 square meters villa solds 0.7 million averagely.
but shanghai white collor's income is quite high, 10000 usd per year is not a very difficult thing. white collor worker averagely earn 8000 usd per year.
that's why i'm quite shook with the price!
let say if a white collar guy get paid US$10000 per year, but still they can't afford a US$1500 per square condo...
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south korea is impressive, do you have large pics? skyline fan?
It's mostly Seoul and Busan. Seoul is density but it's not much of a high-rise jungle as HK or Shanghai
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Seoul's skyscrapers may not be as tall as Hong Kong's generally, but they do have a lot of them. Although their overall density is lower since the city spreads out over a much larger area, they also have large-scale public housing and private housing projects with a lot of tower blocks :





I won't be surprised if Seoul has as many skyscrapers as Hong Kong. They are home to a much larger population after all, even if a larger proportion of them live in houses/rowhouses, etc.
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Seoul's skyscrapers may not be as tall as Hong Kong's generally, but they do have a lot of them. Although their overall density is lower since the city spreads out over a much larger area, they also have large-scale public housing and private housing projects with a lot of tower blocks :

I won't be surprised if Seoul has as many skyscrapers as Hong Kong. They are home to a much larger population after all, even if a larger proportion of them live in houses/rowhouses, etc.
If you look at it, even Pyongyang is also skyscraper dense though it's smaller compared to Seoul's scale. But I did notice the amount of public housing estates around Seoul.
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