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Old September 30th, 2016, 02:30 AM   #21
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His question has the missconception in it, that the bigger the city today the larger the old town. Which is especially wrong in Germany, where the biggest citys were all destroyed. Quedlinburg just like Mühlhausen and Naumburg where not much smaller than Regensburg before industrialisation. In fact, with barely 1000 seperately protected buildings Regensburg lags behind Quedlinburg. But thats mostly due to inadequate listing of buildings which is a problem in most of western Germany.
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Old September 30th, 2016, 10:44 AM   #22
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My favourite towns (with less than 150.000 inhabitants) are Regensburg and Bamberg. But Hann Münden is not to be underestimated. A perfect choice if you travel from France or Italy to Scandinavia and has to stop for a good night's sleep.
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I would like to add that I have great respect for the Poles in this respect. As the border was shifted westward in '45, and Danzig and Breslau became polish, the poles still reconstructed the cities (that had belonged to their former enemy) to pre war glory. Not many other countries would have done that (considering the pain the germans inflicted on the polish people during ww2)
Poles back then would only reconstruct the old towns of Danzig and Breslau due to their "Polonisation". They didn't recover the pre-war 'German' condition, but an idealised "Polish/Piast" version of these cities, creating myths that they had always been Polish of some sort and are now taken back. It's a political issue, but well... At least they reconstructed quite a bit
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The thread topic is very interesting, but answered fairly quickly. A slight twist on the topic seems fair, if you like, which is the question:

If wishes were able to be granted (wouldn't that be nice)...which Altstadt that was indeed destroyed in WWII would you select to have been spared because of its unique wonder and importance? There's over 150 cities to pick from.
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I guess it depends where you come from. As a Saxon I would of course say Dresden. A Franconian would say Würzburg or Nuremberg, a North German would probably say Hamburg or Braunschweig a Rhinelander Cologne, a Hessian Kassel or Frankfurt a.s.o. And everything would be equally justified IMO.
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For North Germany, I'd definitely pick Hildesheim, too. It's not such a household name today, but it used to be one of Europe's most important medieval old towns. Also Bremen would be an interesting choice, though heavily reshaped during the 19th century, just as Hamburg.

And of course, my home town Neubrandenburg. I'd also give a fortune to see Berlin in its former glory.
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Poles back then would only reconstruct the old towns of Danzig and Breslau due to their "Polonisation". They didn't recover the pre-war 'German' condition, but an idealised "Polish/Piast" version of these cities, creating myths that they had always been Polish of some sort and are now taken back. It's a political issue, but well... At least they reconstructed quite a bit
To a certain degree agree, but rather in the sphere of comunist era propaganda of that times. People who have reconstructed the German monuments, town halls and houses were quite well educated and did it also because of respect for beauty and those who built them. Every kid in Poland knew that Malbork (Marienburg) is not "Piast" castle...
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The thread topic is very interesting, but answered fairly quickly. A slight twist on the topic seems fair, if you like, which is the question:

If wishes were able to be granted (wouldn't that be nice)...which Altstadt that was indeed destroyed in WWII would you select to have been spared because of its unique wonder and importance? There's over 150 cities to pick from.
The only city I know of that was spared was Wittenberg - due to religious reasons.
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For North Germany, I'd definitely pick Hildesheim, too. It's not such a household name today, but it used to be one of Europe's most important medieval old towns. Also Bremen would be an interesting choice, though heavily reshaped during the 19th century, just as Hamburg.

And of course, my home town Neubrandenburg. I'd also give a fortune to see Berlin in its former glory.
Hilesheim (I've been there) was heavely destroyd. The main marked was rebuildt twice, first in post-war style, and then in the eightees they rebuildt it old style (just as Breslau).
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Hilesheim (I've been there) was heavely destroyd. The main marked was rebuildt twice, first in post-war style, and then in the eightees they rebuildt it old style (just as Breslau).
I was trying to find pics off Breslaus post war rynek. And i stumbled upon an old postcard and i saw the Magdalenenkirche used the have spires on its towers.
Why weren't there reconstructed? And are there any plans to do that?
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The thread topic is very interesting, but answered fairly quickly. A slight twist on the topic seems fair, if you like, which is the question:

If wishes were able to be granted (wouldn't that be nice)...which Altstadt that was indeed destroyed in WWII would you select to have been spared because of its unique wonder and importance? There's over 150 cities to pick from.
As a Croat, I can be objective, so I'm saying Dresden. It had a beautiful Baroque core, many palaces, gardens, parks etc. The second city I would like to see as it was is probably Munich (Croatian colony ), or maybe even Frankfurt am Main. Of course, every city was special and had its own charm, but these are the ones that were probably truly unique and attractive.

P.S. I would add Hamburg, but I don't know if it was rebuilt good enough after the fire of 1842.
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Old October 4th, 2016, 05:29 AM   #32
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Guys, he's asking for the largest. Why are you naming towns like Rothenburg or Quedlinburg which are tiny. Also Rothenburg, as mentioned by others, was pretty badly hit.

Regensburg has the biggest untouched Altstadt in Germany:





Other bigger cities with untouched or nearly untouched Alstädte are Heidelberg, Görlitz, Erfurt...
Thanks Tiaren...do we know why Regensburg was largely spared?
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Thanks Tiaren...do we know why Regensburg was largely spared?
Probably a good mixture of luck and unimportance. Regensburg had no industry to speak of.

Another fairly big city that was untouched and is also designated as a UNESCO World Heritage site is Bamberg:



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A Messerschmidt Factory was right next to the city. Regensburg was bombed several times. But at the end it was just pure luck that the war ended before Regensburg was in line for a british area bombing, which hit just any larger undestroyed are towards the end of the war pretty much regardless of its actual military significance. (like Würzburg)
In the case of Erfurt, the American advance towards the city was faster than expected so they intervened and made the British to cancel a devastating double strike area bombing planned for the following days.
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Hilesheim (I've been there) was heavely destroyd. The main marked was rebuildt twice, first in post-war style, and then in the eightees they rebuildt it old style (just as Breslau).
The main square is amazing, but two minutes away and the architecture becomes boring 50's
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I was trying to find pics off Breslaus post war rynek. And i stumbled upon an old postcard and i saw the Magdalenenkirche used the have spires on its towers.
Why weren't there reconstructed? And are there any plans to do that?
Here is the thread concerning the project of Magdalenekirche spires reconstruction (including also other Breslau's spires). Unfortunately in polish.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=605009
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The main square is amazing, but two minutes away and the architecture becomes boring 50's
I thought so too before I had occasion to visit and stay for a week this summer. The old town is nice, few gaps remain but lots of infill has really given the city a more coherent feel. Outside the old town there are still many neighbourhoods that though somewhat degraded from neglect are starting to be revitalized and restored. The only ugly part in the old town is around Plac Nowy Targ. The square itself has been renovated, looks great and the old Neptune Fountain may be returning after a public plebiscite.

There is a nice fairly intact given historic circumstances area between the old town inner ring road and the outer defensive moats to the south. There are also large fairly intact districts to the north-west and north-east and a large area also fairly intact given....to the south-east. To the south-west except for a few islands of pre-war intact built form around rondo magnolia, here you will indeed find a mishmash of mostly post war construction.

In all these areas you will find islands of commie blocks and not so nice infill. The reasons for not rebuilding aside from the obvious were cost, commie blocks were cheap to build.

Attitudes to more German-looking built form and heritage are changing dramatically and just in time to save much more.
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Urbanista, I think Mikkel was talking about Hildesheim.
That's why I mentioned the place, Hildesheim used to be absolutely amazing as a whole, not just its main square (that luckily got reconstructed in the 80s).




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Devastated Hildesheim after WW2, most timberframe buildings burned to the ground:


http://www.dasgelbeforum.net/forum_entry.php?id=390874


And nearby old Braunschweig (Brunswick):


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Ohh, if only all those destroyed cities would be reconstructed, no matter if it takes 50 years, just to see them as they once were would be a dream come true for me...
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even more I hope for continued peace and solidarity so we can realize such dreams which may seem farfetched now - anything is possible.
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