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Old July 19th, 2005, 09:58 PM   #341
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I think the Sapphire Tower is the tackiest design I've seen so far. How many people actually like the design? I don't think Toronto will have a Hong Kong style skyline, and I hope it never does. I like Hong Kong's skyline because it's Hong Kong's, but I'd prefer a more tapered skyline as opposed to a really tall wall (not to say Hong Kong's skyline doesn't look cool). Something like that just wouldn't be Toronto. So far I find The Uptown, Trump Tower Toronto, No. 1 Bloor East most appealing in their design. I just hope the city doesn't overdo the glass skin buildings, otherwise we'd end up with something like ---------. (Psst - I like our streetcars)
i love the sapphire tower!! and i know allot of people that love it to.....
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Old July 21st, 2005, 01:50 AM   #342
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once its starts construction they will be a lot of bandwagonjumpers.
i for the record like!
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Old July 21st, 2005, 01:58 AM   #343
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Go Toronto! Awesome stuff goin' on!
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Old July 22nd, 2005, 07:32 AM   #344
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MORE MORE, IM ADDICTED.
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Old July 22nd, 2005, 09:56 PM   #345
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I'm not a big fan of the Sapphire design... although if it is well executed it could turn out well - it all depends on the materials and attention to detail.

I'd give it a 6.5 out of 10
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Old July 22nd, 2005, 10:04 PM   #346
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Old July 23rd, 2005, 10:37 AM   #347
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its good, launching Toronto into a new era of development, especially into something far more inovative!
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Old July 24th, 2005, 04:06 AM   #348
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I'm not going to get excited about Toronto until I see Trump rising. The lakefront condos are nothing spectacular in my book.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 05:49 AM   #349
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Why does the site still say "Stay tuned for the launch of the new SapphireTower" ?

I think they might redesign again?
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Old July 24th, 2005, 06:20 AM   #350
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How tall is the Sapphire Tower?
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Old July 24th, 2005, 06:56 PM   #351
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342 meters to top of spire
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Old July 25th, 2005, 12:58 AM   #352
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Why does the site still say "Stay tuned for the launch of the new SapphireTower" ?

I think they might redesign again?
Umm...that site has been stuck like that for since May now. And who knows how many more redesigns Stinson will make before the tower is completed.

Either way, no tower in Toronto that's going up is anywhere near "innovative".
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Old July 25th, 2005, 09:59 PM   #353
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Either way, no tower in Toronto that's going up is anywhere near "innovative".
Ummmm... CCBR, Pharmacy, MARS, Element, Verve (sales right now), No 1 Avondale, SAS - all of these feature fairly innovative features in the building designs and I'm sure there are many more, those were just what I could thnk of off the top of my head.

As for non-tower projects Toronto has quite a bit going for it in terms of innovation with the ROM, AGO, Sharp Centre (OCAD) etc.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 05:29 AM   #354
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Four Seasons digs in


By SHIRLEY WON

Sunday, July 24, 2005 Updated at 9:52 PM EDT

From Monday's Globe and Mail


The world's largest luxury hotel chain plans to protect its turf in its head office city.


Four Seasons Hotels Inc. will take the wraps off a posh, $325-million hotel project in Toronto's tony Yorkville district on Monday that will go head to head against new rivals as the battle heats up for well-heeled customers.

The chain will run the 265-room hotel slated for opening in 2009. It will be owned by Saudi Arabia's Prince al-Waleed bin Talal, ranked by Forbes as the world's fifth richest man.

Prince al-Waleed holds a 22-per-cent stake in the Four Seasons Hotels chain and also recently purchased the existing 380-room Four Seasons Hotel in the same area, for which he has major renovation plans, from its previous U.S.-based owners Maritz Wolff & Co.

“We have many spectacular hotels around the world, but this [second one] will be our flagship,” enthused Isadore Sharp, founder and chief executive officer of Toronto-based Four Seasons. “You want to maintain your [top] position.”

The new Four Seasons hotel is one of at least four upscale projects, including condominiums, that will be sprouting up over the next few years. Both the 53-storey Ritz-Carlton Hotel & Residences and the 72-storey Trump International Hotel & Tower aim to open in 2009. Both are located either near or in the financial district. And there is a smaller Hazelton Hotel and Private Residences set to open in 2007 in Yorkville.

Hospitality consultants suggest it could take a while for the market to digest the new luxury beds, but added that these new hotels could also help pull up lagging room rates in an industry that is still suffering from deep discounting after the SARS scare in 2003.

“When you have upper-end hotels coming in, they push rates upward in the whole city,” said Monique Rosszell, associate vice-president with HVS International Canada.

Her firm's survey of 11 major downtown Toronto hotels indicates that the occupancy rate rebounded to 71 per cent in 2004, but the average room rate of $157 was still off from the $169 rate in 2002.

Mr. Sharp's strategy is to make sure that both Four Seasons hotels will be top of mind among upscale consumers. That's why it chose the same trendy Yorkville location, with its high-end retail shops, restaurants and nightlife for its next-generation five-star hotel at the corner of Bay and Yorkville streets, only a few blocks away from its current one.

It was Prince al-Waleed's purchase of the existing Four Seasons hotel — through his company Kingdom Hotels International — that paved the way for a new one. The chain had been restricted from running another hotel with the same brand name because of a clause in the former management contract, Mr. Sharp said.

“I think it would have been seven or eight years before we'd have that right.”

But Mr. Sharp is not concerned about the new Four Seasons hotel taking away business from the old one, saying that the chain already operates two hotels in many cities such as London, Chicago, Los Angeles, Singapore, Tokyo and Cairo.

Charles Henry, president of New York-based Hotel Capital Advisers Inc. and an overseer of the prince's hotels in North America, said that having two Four Seasons in a city is an advantage because “they tend to really dominate the city at the high end.”

Mr. Henry is unruffled by the potential competitors. “Let's see if they all get built,” he said. “It's hard to say what will happen when you are talking about such a long time frame.”

Unlike the existing hotel, which Four Seasons renovated after buying it in 1978 from another hotel chain, the new one will be built from scratch, starting next year, to the company's current standards. It will have upscale retail shops, an interior courtyard that opens to the sky and amenities like a world-class spa with treatment rooms and four-piece bathrooms.

The new 55-storey hotel, which will become Yorkville's tallest building, is also a long way from Mr. Sharp's beginnings when he opened the Four Seasons motor hotel on Toronto's Jarvis Street in 1961, an area he describes as a “hookers' paradise” at the time.

The Four Seasons project, which will file applications for rezoning this week, includes plans for 125 luxury condo units on the upper floors during the first phase. There will also be a second-phase condo tower to be built later, which will be connected to the hotel.

Alan Menkes, president of Menkes Developments Ltd. and co-developer of the new Four Seasons project, acknowledges that there has been a flood of new condo units in the local market, but said the project is banking on the “cachet” of the hotel brand to attract upper-crust buyers. High-end condos are now selling for $700 to $1,000 per square foot and “we think they would be at the top end of that range,” Mr. Menkes said.

David Larone, director of PKF Consulting in Toronto, said that it is very expensive to build high-end hotels today, and it is the condominium sales that help defray the costs. “When these projects hit the streets, you'd be looking at a room rate in the range of $400 [a night],” Mr. Larone predicted.

Michael Smith, an analyst at National Bank Financial Inc., said he is not surprised that Four Seasons is unveiling a new hotel project for Toronto given that the Ritz-Carlton chain — which is owned by Marriott International Inc. — is its closest major competitor.

“They will be less likely to lose any potential customers to Ritz-Carlton with this new property,” Mr. Smith said.


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Old July 26th, 2005, 05:38 AM   #355
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Buildings OVER 400ft.

*Sapphire Tower (2008) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,122 90 Proposed Toronto
*Trump International Hotel (2008) . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,066 70 Approved Toronto
*1 Bloor East (2007) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 718 60 Approved Toronto
*Signature Tower (2008) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 714 69 Approved Toronto
*Simcoe Tower II (2009) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ??? 50 Proposed Toronto
*Four Seasons Hotel & Residen. (2009) . . . . . . . . . . . ??? 55 Proposed Toronto
*Bay Adelaide Centre (2008) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ??? 45 Proposed Toronto
*Ritz-Carlton Hotel & Tower (2009) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ??? 53 Approved Toronto
*CityCentre Tower (2008) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 619 51 Proposed Toronto
*Richmond Adelaide Centre (2007) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 595 41 Approved Toronto
*151 Front Street West (2007) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 549 36 Proposed Toronto
*MLSE South Tower (2008) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 544 52 Proposed Toronto
*The Pointe Minto Midtown (2007) . . . . . . . . . . . . 525 52 Approved Toronto
*The Uptown Residences (2006) . . . . . . . . . . . . . 518 48 Approved Toronto
*Festival Tower (2006) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 514 42 Approved Toronto
*One City Hall Phase II (2009) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ??? 50 Proposed Toronto
*College Park Tower I (2006) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 505 52 Construction Toronto
*MLSE North Tower (2008) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 505 48 Proposed Toronto
*Harbour View Estates Phase 2 (2005) . . . . . . . . . . . . 503 49 Construction Toronto
*590 Jarvis (2007) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 487 45 Proposed Toronto
*West ONE (2006) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 484 49 Construction Toronto
*Parkway Forest I (2008) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 479 48 Proposed Toronto
*Spire (2006) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 476 45 Construction Toronto
*Murano Tower I (2006) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 459 41 Approved Toronto
*College Park Tower II (2006) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ??? 45 Construction Toronto
*33 Charles St. East (2006) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 453 43 Proposed Toronto
*18 York St. (2006) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 449 37 Approved Toronto
*Pinnacle Centre Building C (2006) . . . . . . . . . . . 449 46 Approved Toronto
*ROM Condo Tower (2008) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ??? 40 Proposed Toronto
*Parkway Forest II (2008) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 420 42 Proposed Toronto
*Parkway Forest IV (2008) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 420 42 Proposed Toronto
*Parkway Forest V (2008) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 420 42 Proposed Toronto
*The Met (2006) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 415 43 Construction Toronto
*N (2006) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 410 42 Construction Toronto

From andy6 @ SSP


CityPlace is growing. West One 484ft. U/C



18 Yonge / Pinnacle Centre-- creating the Gardiner condo wall


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Old July 26th, 2005, 05:45 AM   #356
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ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC THAT NOT ONE OF THE TOP 16 TOWERS RATED IN HEIGHT IS NOT U/C..................Toronto needs to ******' build tall NOW. Too much talk and little action in this city.
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^LOL => I doubt the city ever had 7 (8 if you include the still unfinished One King) buildings over 400 feet under construction at the same time

But I agree, time to enslave all new immigrants/migrant workers and build skyscrapers at a pace even Dubai would be envious of
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Old July 27th, 2005, 12:25 AM   #358
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this is just crazy.
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Old July 27th, 2005, 02:16 AM   #359
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What the hell is Parkway Forest? Not in Toronto...
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Old July 27th, 2005, 11:44 AM   #360
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"Toronto needs to ******' build tall NOW. Too much talk and little action in this city." - you should find a company willing to rent a new tower downtown (or start your own corporate empire and then build your own), then convince a developer to actually build a tower. Or, convince all the people who've bought units for 'unstarted' CityPlace towers that they should all move into one massivley tall tower. The city cannot force any type of tower construction, unless it's for a new city hall (albeit that's a stupid idea anyways).
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