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Old February 3rd, 2008, 07:01 AM   #321
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a slope... that's a bad idea.
Not really. New Flyer D60LFs, used by several major transit agencies in Canada, including OC Transpo, TransLink and Edmonton Transit System, have a slight slope in the floor. It's not really an obstacle or a problem.
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Old February 3rd, 2008, 08:31 AM   #322
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Not really. New Flyer D60LFs, used by several major transit agencies in Canada, including OC Transpo, TransLink and Edmonton Transit System, have a slight slope in the floor. It's not really an obstacle or a problem.
Hey do other regions have the same problem as us (Vancouver: TransLink), where the New Flyers have disgustingly squeaky brakes?
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Old February 3rd, 2008, 10:04 AM   #323
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Hey do other regions have the same problem as us (Vancouver: TransLink), where the New Flyers have disgustingly squeaky brakes?
Yeah, they're pretty loud.

However, I find their utter inability to cope with snow and ice and tendency to jackknife more annoying, myself.
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That pic is ridiculous! You'd think Ottawa would have buses that could deal with snow!!!
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Yeah, they're pretty loud.

However, I find their utter inability to cope with snow and ice and tendency to jackknife more annoying, myself.


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Old February 4th, 2008, 05:48 AM   #326
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That pic is ridiculous! You'd think Ottawa would have buses that could deal with snow!!!
You would, but... welcome to the cluster**** that is OC Transpo.
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Old February 4th, 2008, 08:15 AM   #327
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Old February 4th, 2008, 03:04 PM   #328
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I seriously doubt you cannot find anything on wikipedia about streetcars. I just wiki'd streetcars and it automatically directs you to trams and the first line reads:

"A tram, tramcar, trolley, trolley car, or streetcar is a railborne vehicle, lighter than a train, designed for the transport of passengers (and/or, very occasionally, freight) within, close to, or between villages, towns and/or cities, primarily on streets."

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...rs&redirect=no

Nomels, welcome to the 21st, globalized century were we can interact and learn about each other's cultures, language, and ideas. You have astutely noted that North Americans, not just people in the United States of America, call certain things by different names than other people. Guess what, there a thousands and thousands of different words for common things. It's called "language". Are you losing sleep over the fact that an elevator is called a lift in England? What about the fact that football is called soccer in North America?

A streetcar is a tram is a trolley. Get over it.
trolley here is trolleybus - electric bus that takes energy from 2 overhead wires...
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Old February 5th, 2008, 08:06 PM   #329
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Hey do other regions have the same problem as us (Vancouver: TransLink), where the New Flyers have disgustingly squeaky brakes?
Yeah, Montreal had to tweak the dangerous brakes in hundreds of its low-floor Novabus fleet starting about ten years ago . . . the fleet plus its upgraded versions are still as flawed as ever, coz no sooner is a problem of theirs overcome that another glitch becomes apparent, of which the latest is their fatal, over-sized side mirrors . . .
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Old February 5th, 2008, 08:10 PM   #330
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Shame Novas have so many problems, they are one of the sleekest looking buses out there this side of BRT models .

Fortunately Orion's new VIIs look just as good, if not better
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Old June 12th, 2008, 05:44 AM   #331
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New LRT lines will head east
Transit City light rail network to boost service to east part of city

4 June 2008
The Toronto Star

Transit planners hear it from residents. They hear it from the Scarborough councillors on the Toronto Transit Commission. Their end of the city is underserved, especially when it comes to transit.

Now, TTC officials say Scarborough is setting the stage for the kind of integrated transit plan that will give suburbanites the efficient streetcar service usually associated with downtown.

Two of the first three planned Transit City streetcar (light rail) lines - Sheppard East and Eglinton-Crosstown, from Pearson airport to Kennedy station - will serve Scarborough directly.

Add to that the extension and renovation of the Scarborough Rapid Transit line, and the TTC is more than meeting the requests set out two years ago by Scarborough councillors, says Mitch Stambler, manager of service planning.

The trade-off is that extending the Sheppard subway line moves down on the priority list - a fact that Councillor Raymond Cho (Scarborough-Rouge River) believes to be short-sighted.

Rising gas prices and growing environmental concerns would prod more people out of their cars if they had the convenience of a subway.

"The city has to show leadership, not just (build) LRT because it's cheap," he said.

Cho has been pushing the TTC to extend the SRT north at least to Malvern Town Centre from Kennedy Station, which is set to become a unique transit hub.

"We're doing a fairly detailed design study of Kennedy station because of the lousy transfer that exists today between the SRT and the subway. We are committed to make that a far more passenger-friendly station," Stambler said.

"Kennedy becomes the Union Station of the east end, with the Bloor-Danforth line coming in. You have the Scarborough-Malvern line feeding (in) people, you have Eglinton feeding people in both directions. I don't think there's another station in the system that has four modes," said TTC chair Adam Giambrone. He predicts similar connectivity for North York and Etobicoke as Transit City moves to completion around 2021.

Plans for Scarborough also extend beyond Toronto with potential links to York and Durham regions.

Transit City light rail, including Sheppard Ave., will run on its own right-of-way, with a priority green at signals. That will make it swifter and more reliable than streetcar lines that run in mixed traffic.
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Old June 14th, 2008, 02:54 AM   #332
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"We're doing a fairly detailed design study of Kennedy station because of the lousy transfer that exists today between the SRT and the subway. We are committed to make that a far more passenger-friendly station," Stambler said.
May the person who approved the current Kennedy design have his testicles eaten by termites in hell.
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Old June 20th, 2008, 12:35 AM   #333
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Shame Novas have so many problems, they are one of the sleekest looking buses out there this side of BRT models
Thank you, coz we learnt here just last month that --subsequent to one of them burning down to the ground trying to ferry people to and from the metro junction it was beside-- 450 of our fleet have a combustible fault with their engines. The mechanics' union was complaining that they aren't being ordered to fix the engine problem, where it's just a matter of refitting each of them with some better-designed, short hose.
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Old June 20th, 2008, 09:45 AM   #334
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New LRT lines will head east
Transit City light rail network to boost service to east part of city

4 June 2008
The Toronto Star

Transit planners hear it from residents. They hear it from the Scarborough councillors on the Toronto Transit Commission. Their end of the city is underserved, especially when it comes to transit.

Now, TTC officials say Scarborough is setting the stage for the kind of integrated transit plan that will give suburbanites the efficient streetcar service usually associated with downtown.

Two of the first three planned Transit City streetcar (light rail) lines - Sheppard East and Eglinton-Crosstown, from Pearson airport to Kennedy station - will serve Scarborough directly.

Add to that the extension and renovation of the Scarborough Rapid Transit line, and the TTC is more than meeting the requests set out two years ago by Scarborough councillors, says Mitch Stambler, manager of service planning.

The trade-off is that extending the Sheppard subway line moves down on the priority list - a fact that Councillor Raymond Cho (Scarborough-Rouge River) believes to be short-sighted.

Rising gas prices and growing environmental concerns would prod more people out of their cars if they had the convenience of a subway.

"The city has to show leadership, not just (build) LRT because it's cheap," he said.

Cho has been pushing the TTC to extend the SRT north at least to Malvern Town Centre from Kennedy Station, which is set to become a unique transit hub.

"We're doing a fairly detailed design study of Kennedy station because of the lousy transfer that exists today between the SRT and the subway. We are committed to make that a far more passenger-friendly station," Stambler said.

"Kennedy becomes the Union Station of the east end, with the Bloor-Danforth line coming in. You have the Scarborough-Malvern line feeding (in) people, you have Eglinton feeding people in both directions. I don't think there's another station in the system that has four modes," said TTC chair Adam Giambrone. He predicts similar connectivity for North York and Etobicoke as Transit City moves to completion around 2021.

Plans for Scarborough also extend beyond Toronto with potential links to York and Durham regions.

Transit City light rail, including Sheppard Ave., will run on its own right-of-way, with a priority green at signals. That will make it swifter and more reliable than streetcar lines that run in mixed traffic.
Now, this I like . Scarborough's well overdue a rapid service of it's own. Subways can't go everywhere and if we can get a comparable mode of transit all the way to Malvern Town Centre I say go for it. Hopefully the SRT will merge with the Sheppard East LRT in Malvern, making for one continuous, uninterrupted commute from North York City Centre> Fairview> Agincourt> McCowan North> Malvern> Centennial College> Scarborough Centre> Kennedy/Eglinton; provided we convert the "stubway" to underground LRT from Don Mills to Yonge.
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Its good news, sorta. When the Sheppard LRT starts running getting from one end of Toronto to the other via Sheppard it will be hell on wheels. Sheppard transit is going to be a convaluted mess.
If I was going from Malvern to Jane I would rather take an express/brt system than having to transfer every 15 minutes atleast I could just lie back and enjoy the ride then transfering all over the place.
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Its good news, sorta. When the Sheppard LRT starts running getting from one end of Toronto to the other via Sheppard it will be hell on wheels. Sheppard transit is going to be a convaluted mess.
If I was going from Malvern to Jane I would rather take an express/brt system than having to transfer every 15 minutes atleast I could just lie back and enjoy the ride then transfering all over the place.
If Toronto didn't have its long legacy of subway/streetcars, it'll be a lot easier to make a convincing argument for BRT. You'll find we're quite spoiled here though .

If somehow the "stubway"s trackbeds were redone to except LRT vehicles instead; then it'd be one continuous, uninterrupted ride from Malvern to Yonge Subway. Furthermore the line underground could veer up the path of YUS to Finch and continue west at-grade as the Finch West LRT line. Thus your commute from Malvern Town Centre to Jane/Finch would be transferless.

These are the kinds of things I'd like to see them do with Transit City, not just a redux of the LRV bullshit we endure in the downtown core and South Etobicoke.
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Oh and to all you LRV streetcar-loving folks out there should probably take heed and read this:

http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/447366

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Streetcar crash sends four to hospital

Jun 21, 2008 10:45 PM
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Four people were taken to hospital today after a crash involving two streetcars in the city’s downtown west end — the second streetcar accident in less than two weeks.

Today's incident occurred as a westbound streetcar was stopped on The Queensway at Colbourne Lodge Dr., around 6 p.m, and another streetcar pulled up behind it and “rear-ended the other for some unknown reason,” said Staff Sgt. Blake Shreve, of 11 Division. "It’s kind of a rare occurrence," he said.

There were 20 people aboard the two streetcars, and four people riding on the streetcar that hit the other one were taken to hospital with minor injuries.

Police said neither driver was injured and the streetcars were not damaged. The matter is under investigation.

Last Wednesday, seven people — including a TTC driver — were sent to hospital after two streetcars collided at Bay and Dundas Sts., shortly before 6 a.m.

That accident occurred when one streetcar veered into the path of another as it turned onto Bay, knocking one of the streetcars off its tracks.

In both accidents, the streetcars were taken to a TTC depot on Roncesvalles Ave. for examination.

- With files from Daniel Girard
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If Toronto didn't have its long legacy of subway/streetcars, it'll be a lot easier to make a convincing argument for BRT. You'll find we're quite spoiled here though .
Do you know that oil companies are one of the biggest backers of BRT? Guess what?, it isn't because it's an efficient transit mode, it is because it is inefficient and expensive. The higher the price of gas goes, the less viable BRT becomes.

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If somehow the "stubway"s trackbeds were redone to except LRT vehicles instead; then it'd be one continuous, uninterrupted ride from Malvern to Yonge Subway. Furthermore the line underground could veer up the path of YUS to Finch and continue west at-grade as the Finch West LRT line. Thus your commute from Malvern Town Centre to Jane/Finch would be transferless.
This is the same kind of thing that I was talking about in the other thread in the Ontario section; run the Sheppard LRT up along the east side fo the 404 to Finch from Sheppard near Consumers and then have it continue along Finch, clear across the city to Humber.

One thing to note though; the trackbed is not the problem with the tunnels. If LRT vehicles didn't have pantographs, it would only be the platforms that need modification, nothing needs to be done about the trackbed, but because the vehicles do use pantographs, the tunnels are too short in height to give enough clearance; where the trackbed does enter the picture is in the special double-tie assembly that was employed for Sheppard, which makes the trackbed thicker than usual, meaning that, if removed, the trackbed could be made lower without actually changing the footings and foundation slab. This is currently under study, but I don't think it will fly since there will inevitably be big problems with lowering the platforms because this kind of thing was never considered at the design stage, meaning that major conflicts are virtually guaranteed and will be very complicated [expensive] to resolve.

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These are the kinds of things I'd like to see them do with Transit City, not just a redux of the LRV bullshit we endure in the downtown core and South Etobicoke.
Why are you even bothering to compare the Transit City network to the legacy network? It is clear that they are intended to be very different. It is also foolish to call the legacy network "bullshit". The management of the legacy network, however, could definately be called "bullshit".
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Old June 23rd, 2008, 06:50 AM   #340
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Oh and to all you LRV streetcar-loving folks out there should probably take heed and read this:

http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/447366



Oh, but the recent incident with the drunk TTC bus driver is doing your BRT advocacy such a huge favour.

Your selective news highlighting is shameful.
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