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Old May 6th, 2006, 11:07 PM   #141
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If you bothered to check the internet protocol, you would see that I am using a completely different computer from this elkram person, and that computer is located in a completely different part of the world
allurban, how do you check the internet protocol here? Consulting the site's FAQ has yielded no help on how to do this.

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Old May 7th, 2006, 03:29 AM   #142
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I dont know about this...but the CLRVs (Canadian Light Rail Vehicles) that are currently used (and the ALRVs which are based on the CLRV) were going to be used on the streets and on a network of high speed interurban routes...(which never came about, except for the Scarborough RT)...so they are much heavier when compared to the older PCC cars
Um, did you just quote yourself?
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Old May 7th, 2006, 09:11 AM   #143
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allurban, how do you check the internet protocol here? Consulting the site's FAQ has yielded no help on how to do this.

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Um, did you just quote yourself?
He probably got confused for a moment ...
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Old May 8th, 2006, 08:25 AM   #144
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No, I didnt quote myself.

Elkram said that operators are telling him the streetcars are too heavy for the tracks...Maybe he meant the roads, maybe he didnt. I dont care.

I'm talking about the roads. The criticism of the streetcars being too heavy for the roads is a regular excuse that comes up again and again...I dont agree with that criticism, I find that it is sloppy thinking.

Yes, the CLRVs weigh about 14000 lb more than the PCC cars, but that doesnt mean the streets cannot handle the extra weight. If the roads couldnt support the weight of CLRVs, why would TTC introduce ALRVs?

Also, future TTC cars would be articulated, so they will probably be heavier than CLRVs.

Is it possible that the CLRVs could be too heavy for the track that was installed in the day of the PCC car, which might lead to problems with premature wear? I dont know...Im not an engineer.

TTC engineers would obviously want to use track that can bear the weight of the cars. KGB pointed out that most of the streetcar rails have been replaced since the CLRVs were introduced...so I am sure that TTC would have found ways to fix the problem (if there was a problem).

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Old March 15th, 2007, 08:54 PM   #145
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Network Expansion

It took me a while to find this one thread. I didn't want to create a duplicate with this one floating around somewhere.

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Mar 15, 2007 01:35 PM
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A sweeping plan to build a 60 to 80-kilometre light rapid transit network across Toronto, costing billions of dollars, will be unveiled tomorrow by the Toronto Transit Commission.
The system, probably consisting of light rail vehicles running on dedicated rights of way, was a key plank in Mayor David Miller's election platform.

While the bare bones of the plan have been in the works for some time, TTC chairman Adam Giambrone said in an interview today that "there are going to be some surprises."

"The goal is to inspire people," Giambrone said.

Miller's platform talked of an ambitious network of transit lines, including:

• A dedicated transit corridor on Finch Ave., in part utilizing the hydro right of way, to connect north Scarborough and north Etobicoke to the subway;
• Building a dedicated rapid transit line along Eglinton Ave. W. that will connect the St. Clair street car right of way to the airport.
• A west waterfront line linking Etobicoke to Union Station;
• Connecting the Sheppard subway line to Scarborough Town Centre;
• Extending the Scarborough Rapid Transit (SRT) line to northeastern Scarborough. Since the SRT is due to wear out by about 2011 in any case, it's the subject of a separate planning process.

Another important rapid transit route that will likely be covered in the TTC report tomorrow is the Don Mills corridor, Giambrone said. Planning work is already under way on Don Mills.

Environmental assessment work has also been done on several of the other proposed lines.

The cost of the new system will be huge.

Giambrone said the all-in costs of building light rapid transit lines is about $30 million a kilometre. That would put the price tag for an 80-kilometre system at $2.4 billion.

Giambrone shied away from saying that tomorrow's report will be an implementation plan with firm schedules and costs.

But he said the city expects to move ahead with the help of funding from the gas tax, and a hoped-for $2 billion national transit strategy, of which Toronto would get a substantial slice.
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Yay! I love Streetcars!
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Old March 16th, 2007, 05:47 AM   #147
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So there is a plan but no funding to execute. Nothing different from all the other plans and illusions that have come out over the years.
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Old March 18th, 2007, 05:29 PM   #148
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So there is a plan but no funding to execute. Nothing different from all the other plans and illusions that have come out over the years.
This has been my attitude towards it as well, but the plan is also terrible in that it is proposing spending the money on LRT lines that are in need of HRT capacity - LRT becomes a waste of money because the problem of capacity on select corridors would not actually be solved. Some of these corridors are fine as streetcars (like Waterfront), but an alarming majority of them are best slated from subway, particularly Eglinton and Sheppard East, the idea of making those LRT instead is absolutely proposterous.
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Old March 19th, 2007, 07:17 AM   #149
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Success driven by TTC: Miller
15-year plan shifts the focus from subways to electric light rail cars and more streetcars

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STAFF REPORTERS

It will take 15 years and about $6 billion to build the light rail network that the Toronto Transit Commission envisions connecting virtually every neighbourhood in the city.

But Toronto has no choice other than to forge ahead with the project, says Mayor David Miller.

"If we're going to succeed economically and socially, we need a strategy like this," Miller said yesterday after TTC planners took the wraps off the proposal.

"We simply have to make it happen."

It's a plan that TTC Chair Adam Giambrone said, "will restore Toronto's stature as a leader in urban transit."

The Toronto Transit City – Light Rail Plan calls for 120 kilometres of electric light rail along seven underserved routes. When complete, the network would carry 175 million riders a year, of which 75 million would be new TTC users.

Included in the cost estimates is the purchase of 240 quieter, more accessible streetcars like those already planned for the refurbishment of the existing fleet.

"The dollars are substantial," conceded Giambrone. "Without the support of all orders of government, transit cannot work."

Neither the provincial nor the federal government has committed funds for the project and Giambrone admitted that even raising Toronto's one-third share of the cost will be a challenge.

But, he said, "we have to start somewhere. People don't give you money for plans that don't exist."

"No Torontonian should be disadvantaged because they don't own a car," said Giambrone. "(Transit) brings light back to neighbourhoods that have suffered decay over the last 15 years."

Miller said he'll continue to push, with other big-city mayors, for a national transit strategy that provides stable, sustained funding.

The city is playing its part by switching its emphasis away from high-cost subways, he said.

"By using LRTs rather than subways...it's affordable, it's realistic," he said.

It doesn't, however, mean the city is abandoning subways, said Giambrone. More transit users would bring more subway riders, he said.

Miller said the province can give the plan a lift by relaxing its environmental assessment procedures for transit projects. Current rules can tie up a project for two years, Miller said, which makes little sense because the projects benefit the environment.

Putting the plan before the dollars isn't necessarily a bad strategy, said Ryerson University Professor James Mars.

He likes the plan, with a few reservations.

The Sheppard East Corridor, for example, would require most passengers to transfer through the transit system at least twice.

But Mars says politicians have frequently backed transit plans to win voter support and with federal and provincial elections looming, there's unprecedented interest in reducing traffic congestion and improving the environment.

Before the proposal goes ahead, however, Mars wants to see the province's new regional transit authority, which doesn't begin meeting until next week, get up and running.

The TTC plan needs input from experts and the public – "a view that's not predicated on an election" – Mars said.

A group that may not be as supportive of the transit expansion is the population that has no choice but to drive, because of work or other demands, said Teresa Di Felice of the South Central Ontario branch of the Canadian Automobile Association.

The city has already shelved a $300 million backlog of road repairs this year, and is considering taxing motorists through road tolls, parking fee hikes and licence registrations, she said.

"We know our members are environmentally conscious and would like to see an improvement in transit but they're also motorists and they're continually facing punitive measures," said Di Felice.

The CAA has 1.7 million members, about half of them in the Toronto region.
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Keeping the Streetcars is one of the best decisions Toronto has ever made along with not building the Spadina Expressway.

We might not get the same funding from the federal government that other world class cities do but atleast on the local level people in Toronto have an excellent mind set when it comes to urban issues.

Unfortunately there is no way that LRT can ever be used to substitute a subway line.
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 10:18 PM   #151
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an excellent mind set when it comes to urban issues
What on earth would that be, huh? An excellent mind set, with urban decay all around it -- cheesh !!
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An excellent mind set, with urban decay all around it -- cheesh !!
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Old March 23rd, 2007, 12:54 AM   #153
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What on earth would that be, huh? An excellent mind set, with urban decay all around it -- cheesh !!
What urban decay? Have you ever been to Toronto? If Toronto really was decaying, why do we keep moving up in the standard of leavingrank and now are ranked in the top 10, the only large city in the top 10.
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Old March 23rd, 2007, 12:59 AM   #154
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What on earth would that be, huh? An excellent mind set, with urban decay all around it -- cheesh !!
LOL, I dont even know what to say about that.

It must suck to be so threatened by a city hundreds of kilometers away.
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I dont quite understand how Toronto can have urban decay. After all, it isn't even a city! Isn't that right, elkram?
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Don't mind taking the strretcar for short transfers to and from the subway, but when travelling outside of downtown I almost always find it faster to take the Bloor-Danforth line across and then transfer on to a southbound bus.
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Old March 25th, 2007, 02:51 AM   #157
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What on earth would that be, huh? An excellent mind set, with urban decay all around it -- cheesh !!

Ehhhh....I wouldn't consider Toronto in urban decay.

Urban stagnation in some aspects yes.
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Old March 26th, 2007, 06:03 AM   #158
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LOL, I dont even know what to say about that.

It must suck to be so threatened by a city hundreds of kilometers away.
Haha, zing!
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Old March 26th, 2007, 06:14 AM   #159
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I dont quite understand how Toronto can have urban decay. After all, it isn't even a city! Isn't that right, elkram?

Ignore elkram. He is either a bit "simple" or an old alcoholic, or simply off his meds again. Either way he is a deeply unhappy man and spends much of his life being bitter about Toronto. Sad man, and I think he needs help, poor thing.
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Steve Munro's website (http://stevemunro.ca) has a lot of interesting information and discussions and comments about the Transit City plans....

In fact there was so much info and so many comments he had to divide things into 7 separate forums to discuss the different lines (e.g. north, northwest, west, east, central south, etc...)

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