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Old March 3rd, 2017, 07:13 PM   #21
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Did you write down every railway stop?

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I think so, might have missed one or two though!
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Old March 5th, 2017, 11:38 PM   #23
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Direct trains from BUDAPEST (Hungary):

- Ljubljana
- Zurich
- Munich
- Hamburg
- Warsaw
- Košice
- Kiev
- Bucharest via Sibiu and via Craiova
- Brașov via Oradea and via Arad
- Belgrade
- Zagreb

And to the following Hungarian cities:

- Szeged
- Pécs
- Sopron
- Szolnok via Cegléd and via Újszász
- Esztergom
- Szentgotthárd
- Szombathely via Székesfehérvár, via Csorna, and via Pápa
- Nyíregyháza via Debrecen and via Miskolc
- Sátoraljaújhely
- Eger
- Baja
- Tapolca
- Dunaújváros
- Szántód-Kőröshegy
- Lajosmizse
- Oroszlány
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Old March 6th, 2017, 03:18 AM   #24
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From Portsmouth (Population 211000)

London Waterloo (2 routes via Basingstoke and via Guildford)
London Victoria (2 routes via Horsham and hove)
Brighton
Littlehampton
Southampton
Eastleigh
Bristol
Cardiff (2 routes via Netley and Southampton and Via Southampton Airport Parkway and Southampton)
There have been a few weekend services to Swindon this year due to the GWML Electrification.


New route to Weymouth via Bournemouth coming December2018

we used to have routes until the early 2000s to

Newcastle
Leeds
Manchester
Liverpool
Milford Haven
Penzance
Frome
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Old April 5th, 2017, 03:30 PM   #25
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Currently in Wellington NZ. Counting only the end of each service:

Upper Hutt
Johnsonville
Waikanae
Melling
Masterton
Palmerston North
Auckland

The last two are depressingly infrequest. The Palmerston North route is a commuter service but it runs once a day. The service to Auckland is 3 times a week in each direction, taking Wednesdays off.
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In Zurich, we have direct services to the following cities

International
Stuttgart
Paris
Graz
Milan
Munich
Belgrade
Konstanz
Hamburg via Cologne
Hamburg via Berlin
Hamburg via Frankfurt
Budapest via Salzburg
Budapest via Innsbruck

National
Geneva (Airport)
Lugano
Romanshorn
Brig
St. Gallen
Erstfeld
Luzern
Basel
Bern
Aarau
Schaffhausen
Chur

Serving up to 2'915 trains per day, Zürich Main Station is one of the busiest railway stations in the world

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Konstanz is in Germany, not Switzerland.
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Serving up to 2'915 trains per day, Zürich Main Station is one of the busiest railway stations in the world
Ha ! I saw this morning a press article celebrating the centenary of Hell Gate bridge in New York. They were apparently proud to announce 40 trains per day on that bridge. For a city of 10M people it just look ridiculous...
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International connections from Madrid:

France:

- Hendaye (2/day)
- Marseille (1/day)

Portugal:

- Lisbon (1/day)

Until December 2013 there was a night train to Paris, but it was discontinued after the opening of the HSL between Barcelona and France.
International connections from Lisbon:

Spain:
- Irun-Lisboa (1/day) ~999km Talgo trenhotel
- Lisboa-Madrid (1/day) ~700km Talgo trenhotel
- Madrid-Lisboa (1/day) ~700km Talgo trenhotel

France:
- Lisboa-Hendaye (1/day) ~1001km Talgo trenhotel
- Hendaye-Irun return by TGV atlantique ~2km


National long distance/rapid/high speed connections from Lisbon:

- Braga Alfa Pendular
- Porto Alfa Pendular & Intercity
- Guarda Intercity and Talgo trenhotel
- Vilar Formoso Talgo trenhotel
- Covilhã Intercity
- Evora Intercity ~130km (future Madrid-Lisbon HSL)
- Faro Alfa Pendular & Intercity

AP runs at 220km/h
IC run at 200km/h
Talgo runs at roughly 140km/h (not certified for full train speed)


The SUD EXPRESS is suposed to be a single train from lisbon to paris but since the TGV atlantique network started to operate the french section it stops at Irun/Hendaye and nowadays we get a talgo and a TGV combined service otherwise it would be a 1800km journey.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 02:36 PM   #30
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From my city (all destinations are domestic):

- Eindhoven (4/h)
- 's-Hertogenbosch (4/h)
- Nijmegen (2/h)
- Arnhem (2/h)
- Zwolle (2/h)
- Breda (6/h)
- Roosendaal (2/h)

That's about it for until April. Then after four months the following will be re-added:

- Rotterdam (2/h)
- The Hague (2/h)

We just gained back our connection to Rotterdam and The Hague!



Also, I make a shortlist of all stations accessible from Tilburg:


- Gilze-Rijen
- Breda
- Breda-Prinsenbeek
- Lage Zwaluwe
- Dordrecht Zuid
- Dordrecht
- Rotterdam Centraal
- Delft
- Den Haag Hollands Spoor
- Den Haag Centraal
- 's-Hertogenbosch
- Oss
- Nijmegen
- Arnhem Centraal
- Dieren
- Zutphen
- Deventer
- Olst
- Wijhe
- Zwolle
- Oisterwijk
- Boxtel
- Best
- Eindhoven Strijp-S
- Eindhoven


That's literally all excluding the stations from Tilburg itself. It would have been more if it weren't for the over-implementation of the corridor timetable but at least we can go pretty far into the Randstad straightaway once more.
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Old April 8th, 2017, 09:03 PM   #31
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We just gained back our connection to Rotterdam and The Hague!



Also, I make a shortlist of all stations accessible from Tilburg:


- Gilze-Rijen
- Breda
- Breda-Prinsenbeek
- Lage Zwaluwe
- Dordrecht Zuid
- Dordrecht
- Rotterdam Centraal
- Delft
- Den Haag Hollands Spoor
- Den Haag Centraal
- 's-Hertogenbosch
- Oss
- Nijmegen
- Arnhem Centraal
- Dieren
- Zutphen
- Deventer
- Olst
- Wijhe
- Zwolle
- Oisterwijk
- Boxtel
- Best
- Eindhoven Strijp-S
- Eindhoven


That's literally all excluding the stations from Tilburg itself. It would have been more if it weren't for the over-implementation of the corridor timetable but at least we can go pretty far into the Randstad straightaway once more.
You are missing: Geldrop, Heeze, Maarheeze and Weert.
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You are missing: Geldrop, Heeze, Maarheeze and Weert.


Oh, these three, added again indeed because of the restored through connection after finishing the passenger tunnel in Eindhoven. I'm glad that work is done, because that station was really in dire need of renovation. Now it's just the atrocious (monumental (!) ) roof. BTW, Eindhoven (as my sister lives there):


Schagen
Alkmaar
Zaandam
Amsterdam (Centraal/Amstel/Zuid/Bijlmer)
Utrecht Centraal
Den Bosch
Weert
Roermond
Sittard
Maastricht
Heerlen
Helmond
Venlo
Den Haag (The Hague: Centraal/Hollands Spoor)
Delft
Rotterdam Centraal
Breda
Tilburg
Oss*
Nijmegen*
Arnhem Centraal*


*not officially in timetable but actually is the same train as Deurne-Eindhoven-Den Bosch
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Old April 10th, 2017, 08:31 PM   #33
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International connections from Barcelona-Sants:

France:

- Cerbère (7/day)
- Latour-de-Carol - Enveitg (4/day)
- Paris (2/day in winter; 3/day in summer)
- Lyon (1/day)
- Marseille (1/day)
- Toulouse (1/day - only in summer)

Until not so long ago there used to be night trains to Switzerland (Zurich) and Italy (Milan), but they were discontinued in December 2012.
Domestic connections from Barcelona-Sants (just showing the final destination of the different types of service, not intermediate stations):

High speed rail:

1) Services that exclusively run on the standard gauge HSR network:

AVE: long distance HS service (310 km/h).

- Madrid
- Figueres-Vilafant
- Sevilla (via Zaragoza)
- Málaga

Avant: regional HS service (250 km/h).

- Lleida

2) Services that partially use the standard gauge HSR network:

Alvia: long distance service (250 km/h in HSLs and 200 km/h in classic lines).

- Irun
- Bilbao
- Gijón
- A Coruña
- Vigo

Intercity: long distance service (250 km/h in HSLs and 200 km/h in classic lines), usually with cheaper fares.

- Valladolid
- Pamplona
- Vitoria-Gasteiz

Trenhotel: long distance night service (200 km/h).

- Vigo
- A Coruña

Classic rail:

Euromed: long distance service (220 km/h).

- Valencia
- Alicante

Talgo: long distance service (200 km/h).

- Alicante
- Murcia
- Cartagena
- Lorca
- Sevilla (via Valencia)

MD: regional service (160 km/h).

- Portbou (partial services to Figueres)

Regional Exprés: regional service (160 km/h).

- Madrid
- Zaragoza
- Caspe
- Riba-roja d'Ebre (partial services to Flix and Reus)
- Valencia
- Vinaròs
- Tortosa (partial services to Cambrils and Port Aventura)
- Lleida (via Valls or Reus)

Regional: regional service (140 km/h)

- Portbou
- Reus
- Lleida (via Manresa)

Rodalies: commuter rail service (140 km/h)

http://rodalies.gencat.cat/web/.cont..._Barcelona.pdf

PS: maybe I've missed some services, but the naming patterns used by Renfe are somehow confusing and sometimes names of different services overlap with each other (that's especially the case of the Intercity services).
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A few years ago I took a train from Barcelona that served 3 différent directions : Seville, Malaga, and Grenade. The train was split en route. It served a station which it exited from by reversing to get back on the main line (I don't remember the name. It was a bit like Killarney in Ireland. Valencia may be ?). We reversed at, I think, Alcazar de San Juan. Arrival in Malaga was quite late in the evening. That train had a name : Garcia Lorca. Does it still exist ? It was in 2010. That year I went by train and boat (Gibraltar) all the way from my local station to Marrakech by train, without using any HST.

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A few years ago I took a train from Barcelona that served 3 différent directions : Seville, Malaga, and Grenade. The train was split en route. It served a station which it exited from by reversing to get back on the main line (I don't remember the name. It was a bit like Killarney in Ireland. Valencia may be ?). We reversed at, I think, Alcazar de San Juan. Arrival in Malaga was quite late in the evening. That train had a name : Garcia Lorca. Does it still exist ? It was in 2010. That year I went by train and boat (Gibraltar) all the way from my local station to Marrakech by train, without using any HST.
The old Garcia Lorca was replaced by the new Renfe.es service called "tren completo" (fully booked/sold out in spanish)

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08.30 14.55 6 h. 25 min. AVE-AVE
Tren Completo
08.30 14.02 5 h. 32 min. AVE
Tren Completo
09.00 14.30 5 h. 30 min. AVE-AVE
Tren Completo
09.30 20.51 11 h. 21 min. TALGO
Tren Completo
09.40 14.55 5 h. 15 min. AVE
Tren Completo
11.00 16.30 5 h. 30 min. AVE-AVE
Tren Completo
12.00 18.30 6 h. 30 min. AVE-AVE
Tren Completo
15.50 21.15 5 h. 25 min. AVE
Tren Completo
17.00 23.15 6 h. 15 min. AVE-AVE
Tren Completo



No ... seriously ... put some trains on those OVERLY UNDERUSED tracks renfe ... a metropolis with 7 million and the other city with 5 million and renfe has hourly services ??? 3 or 4 trips a day to some 2 million urban areas ...
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Ha ! I saw this morning a press article celebrating the centenary of Hell Gate bridge in New York. They were apparently proud to announce 40 trains per day on that bridge. For a city of 10M people it just look ridiculous...



In the city ... outside the city there are no places of relevancy to connect ... 40 is sufficient.
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A few years ago I took a train from Barcelona that served 3 différent directions : Seville, Malaga, and Grenade. The train was split en route. It served a station which it exited from by reversing to get back on the main line (I don't remember the name. It was a bit like Killarney in Ireland. Valencia may be ?). We reversed at, I think, Alcazar de San Juan. Arrival in Malaga was quite late in the evening. That train had a name : Garcia Lorca. Does it still exist ? It was in 2010. That year I went by train and boat (Gibraltar) all the way from my local station to Marrakech by train, without using any HST.
You remember it quite well. That train used to be called Talgo García Lorca (named after poet Federico García Lorca) and it had had a couple more branches (to Badajoz and Almería), but now it's only Barcelona - Seville, given that the branches to Málaga and Granada were also discontinued a few years ago (the classic line between Córdoba and Bobadilla sees no passenger traffic right now and Granada lost all its passenger services 2 years ago due to the construction works of the HSL, with the exception of the regional train Granada - Almería).

Currently, the main purpose of the Talgo Barcelona - Sevilla via Valencia is to serve intermediate trips like Barcelona - Albacete, because both Barcelona and Valencia now have direct HSR connections with Málaga and Seville (thanks to the connections between lines built near Madrid) with better travel times (Barcelona - Seville by AVE takes now just 5h15m while the Talgo takes 11h20m).

And indeed that Talgo reverses twice, in Valencia Nord (where a through tunnel is supposed to be built in the long term) and in Alcázar de San Juan.
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The old Garcia Lorca was replaced by the new Renfe.es service called "tren completo" (fully booked/sold out in spanish)


No ... seriously ... put some trains on those OVERLY UNDERUSED tracks renfe ... a metropolis with 7 million and the other city with 5 million and renfe has hourly services ??? 3 or 4 trips a day to some 2 million urban areas ...
If you were checking train schedules between Barcelona and Seville (I don't get which is the 7 million metropolis in Spain) for tomorrow or any time this week (as I imagine it's the case), it's normal they're fully booked because we're in the middle of the Easter holidays and Seville is a major destination during the Holy Week.

Just try to search any train for next week and you'll find plenty of available tickets. By the way, there are 3 daily AVE services between Barcelona and Seville/Málaga (they split in Córdoba) in the summer season, but in winter there are only 2 of them because there's not enough demand. For such long trips (more than 5 hours) many people prefer to fly. The 4th direct connection is the aforementioned Talgo, and the other ones that appear in the Renfe website are connections in Madrid.

And then you can check train schedules between Barcelona and Madrid for any given weekday after Easter:

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05.50 08.20 2 h. 30 min. AVE 58,15 € Turista Promo
06.05 09.15 3 h. 10 min. AVE 90,50 € Turista Plus Promo
06.25 08.55 2 h. 30 min. AVE 88,95 € Turista Promo
06.40 09.25 2 h. 45 min. AVE 75,40 € Turista Promo
07.00 09.30 2 h. 30 min. AVE 100,40 € Turista Promo
07.05 09.50 2 h. 45 min. AVE 66,75 € Turista Promo
07.25 10.01 2 h. 36 min. AVE 90,50 € Turista Plus Promo
07.40 10.10 2 h. 30 min. AVE 100,40 € Turista Promo
08.00 11.10 3 h. 10 min. AVE 90,50 € Turista Plus Promo
08.25 10.55 2 h. 30 min. AVE 88,95 € Turista Promo
09.00 11.45 2 h. 45 min. AVE 107,70 € Turista Flexible
10.00 13.10 3 h. 10 min. AVE 90,50 € Turista Plus Promo
11.00 13.45 2 h. 45 min. AVE 75,40 € Turista Promo
12.00 15.10 3 h. 10 min. AVE 85,10 € Turista Promo
12.50 15.45 2 h. 55 min. AVE-TGV 75,40 € Turista Promo
13.25 16.10 2 h. 45 min. AVE 85,10 € Turista Promo
14.00 17.10 3 h. 10 min. AVE 75,40 € Turista Promo
15.00 17.45 2 h. 45 min. AVE 85,10 € Turista Promo
15.25 17.55 2 h. 30 min. AVE 88,95 € Turista Promo
16.00 19.10 3 h. 10 min. AVE 90,50 € Turista Plus Promo
16.25 18.55 2 h. 30 min. AVE 100,40 € Turista Promo
17.00 19.45 2 h. 45 min. AVE 59,45 € Turista Plus Promo
17.25 19.55 2 h. 30 min. AVE 127,10 € Turista Flexible
18.00 21.10 3 h. 10 min. AVE 90,50 € Turista Plus Promo
18.25 20.55 2 h. 30 min. AVE 127,10 € Turista Flexible
19.00 22.00 3 h. AVE 85,10 € Turista Promo
19.25 21.55 2 h. 30 min. AVE 88,95 € Turista Promo
20.00 23.10 3 h. 10 min. AVE 75,40 € Turista Promo
21.15 00.02 2 h. 47 min. AVE 66,75 € Turista Promo
I wouldn't call that an underused high speed line...
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The AVE trains between Barcelona and Andalusia transferred in 2016: 718,200 passengers (to Seville corridor) and 635,200 to Málaga. 3,708 for each day, on a trip normally too long for the HST and with only 2.5 trains for day.

Making my own accounts (unofficial) daily trains = 2.5 x 2 x 2 = 10 trains x 365 seats = 3,650 seats per day. 3,708 passengers between 3,650 seats = 101% occupancy.

The line has more relevance for passengers traveling between cities without air link with Seville or Málaga, not so Barcelona-Sevilla.
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From Sydney (all domestic of course)

Intrastate Trains (Within New South Wales)
- Newcastle
- Wollongong
- Armidale
- Moree
- Dubbo
- Griffith

Interstate Trains
- Canberra
- Melbourne
- Brisbane
- Adelaide
- Perth
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