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Old August 20th, 2017, 02:58 PM   #2081
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Old August 20th, 2017, 04:32 PM   #2082
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Rathausmarkt



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Old August 20th, 2017, 05:27 PM   #2083
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Old August 20th, 2017, 05:36 PM   #2084
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Old September 16th, 2017, 09:14 PM   #2085
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Frankfurter Altstadt

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Braubachstraße with Haus zur Maus on the left



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Old September 17th, 2017, 12:56 AM   #2086
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Frankfurt is such a sad loss At least we're getting some of it back.
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Old September 22nd, 2017, 12:33 AM   #2087
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Kannengießergasse with Lutherhaus on the right



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Old September 23rd, 2017, 09:41 PM   #2088
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Old September 24th, 2017, 12:30 AM   #2089
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these photos look like photos of a imaginary city - fairytale-ish if you imagine the colors
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Old September 24th, 2017, 12:37 AM   #2090
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One thing that I find absolutely remarkable is that I talk to people who have been to Frankfurt (more or less recently) and who were quite impressed with the Romerberg; most of them described it as a very beautiful and charming old square. Looking at these pictures (and I hate doing that, as I am not big on nostalgia in general), I can't help wondering how tourists would have described pre-war Frankfurt...
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Old September 25th, 2017, 12:30 PM   #2091
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One thing that I find absolutely remarkable is that I talk to people who have been to Frankfurt (more or less recently) and who were quite impressed with the Romerberg; most of them described it as a very beautiful and charming old square. Looking at these pictures (and I hate doing that, as I am not big on nostalgia in general), I can't help wondering how tourists would have described pre-war Frankfurt...
If frankfurt had survived it could have very easily today been as the worlds most beautiful city, probably surpassing rome paris amsterdam etc
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Old September 25th, 2017, 03:43 PM   #2092
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Given the high regard for pre-war Frankfurt, if there was a magical opportunity to undo the war destruction of just one German city so its 1940 state existed today, would you select Frankfurt?
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Old September 25th, 2017, 05:21 PM   #2093
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This photo is beautiful, not just as a representation of pre-war Frankfurt, but also as a photo in its own right.

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Given the high regard for pre-war Frankfurt, if there was a magical opportunity to undo the war destruction of just one German city so its 1940 state existed today, would you select Frankfurt?
This is such a difficult question for anyone to answer. So many historically and/or architecturally important cities were destroyed. Frankfurt, Nuremberg, Dresden, Munich, Cologne, Kassel – Berlin and Hannover, even. Nearly impossible to decide.
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Old September 25th, 2017, 06:38 PM   #2094
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Well yes and no; on the one hand, I would obviously want to get back the city which I find the most beautiful and culturally significant, although this is of course highly subjective. On the other hand, I think one needs to take into account how all these cities evolved after the war. I don't feel the need to bring Munchen or Nurnberg back, because I think they are still beautiful and charming today; Frankfurt, while it would certainly qualify by my first criterion above, has also evolved quite nicely and has this distinct modern brand which I like: in a superficial way, it is like an American city (the skyline, the booming business district, etc.) with all the nice European urban and social features added on top of that. So while bringing it back would be appealing on one level, I don't mind the current city. I think of the major German cities, Dresden's reconstruction is the most significant, since the city genuinely lost its soul in the war and failed (or was not allowed, to be precise) to get it back afterwards.

So to sum it up, I would choose Frankfurt if I were to ignore the present/postwar development; I would choose Dresden otherwise (and to be honest, Dresden is largely coming back, the reconstructions there are quite extensive).
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Old September 25th, 2017, 06:49 PM   #2095
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Well yes and no; on the one hand, I would obviously want to get back the city which I find the most beautiful and culturally significant, although this is of course highly subjective. On the other hand, I think one needs to take into account how all these cities evolved after the war. I don't feel the need to bring Munchen or Nurnberg back, because I think they are still beautiful and charming today; Frankfurt, while it would certainly qualify by my first criterion above, has also evolved quite nicely and has this distinct modern brand which I like: in a superficial way, it is like an American city (the skyline, the booming business district, etc.) with all the nice European urban and social features added on top of that. So while bringing it back would be appealing on one level, I don't mind the current city. I think of the major German cities, Dresden's reconstruction is the most significant, since the city genuinely lost its soul in the war and failed (or was not allowed, to be precise) to get it back afterwards.

So to sum it up, I would choose Frankfurt if I were to ignore the present/postwar development; I would choose Dresden otherwise (and to be honest, Dresden is largely coming back, the reconstructions there are quite extensive).
Actually, not so much. Although the reconstruction project that is happening at Neumarkt is majestic and unique, there are so many important buildings from many periods of city's rich architectural history that will probably never be reconstructed, which is quite sad. That's why I would probably choose to "bring back" Dresden, it was perfect in so many different ways, it's just sad to see it still devastated by the war.
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Old September 25th, 2017, 09:17 PM   #2096
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Well yes and no; on the one hand, I would obviously want to get back the city which I find the most beautiful and culturally significant, although this is of course highly subjective. On the other hand, I think one needs to take into account how all these cities evolved after the war. I don't feel the need to bring Munchen or Nurnberg back, because I think they are still beautiful and charming today; Frankfurt, while it would certainly qualify by my first criterion above, has also evolved quite nicely and has this distinct modern brand which I like: in a superficial way, it is like an American city (the skyline, the booming business district, etc.) with all the nice European urban and social features added on top of that. So while bringing it back would be appealing on one level, I don't mind the current city. I think of the major German cities, Dresden's reconstruction is the most significant, since the city genuinely lost its soul in the war and failed (or was not allowed, to be precise) to get it back afterwards.

So to sum it up, I would choose Frankfurt if I were to ignore the present/postwar development; I would choose Dresden otherwise (and to be honest, Dresden is largely coming back, the reconstructions there are quite extensive).
I agree with that! It really is hard to choose. I think Berlin and Hamburg, also suffered awful damage but I think both these cities have evolved in an interesting way with a very unique charm in each city. I agree completely about Dresden , Ive never been to Cologne but that to me seems like a city that lost its soul and never really regained it . The beautiful cathedral just stands in such contrast to the rest of the city that its a little unsettling
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Old September 25th, 2017, 11:09 PM   #2097
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@Titan man: You are right to some extent, but I feel that the reconstructions in Dresden have been extensive and cohesive enough to genuinely bring at least part of the city's cultural and architectural soul back. Sure, you can never rebuild an entire town, but rebuilding the heart like in Dresden definitely means a lot for the city. My parents visited Dresden during the 1980's and were horrified by it; even now, 35 years later, they remember how bad of an impression the ruined city left on them (especially given that they came from another gray Communist country). Contrast that with the fact that Dresden has now become a "must" on any tourist trail or guide through/on Germany, just as it was before the war. While certainly there is plenty more to be reconstructed (and most of it will never be, for obvious reasons), I can't think of any other European city that has undergone such a dramatic restoration of its pre-war urban fabric.
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Old September 26th, 2017, 09:21 AM   #2098
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Old September 27th, 2017, 03:28 PM   #2099
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Yes, you are right, I completely forgot about Warsaw; however, I would say Warsaw counts with one big caveat: I am not sure the extent and scope of its reconstruction fit the city's international status. What was reconstructed was the old core of the city, which, while picturesque, is not impressive in any way; Warsaw is an European capital, the 6th or 7th largest city in the EU and one of its most important ones, so I feel that one would expect more than just an archetypal medium town marketplace and a few nice narrow streets around it. All the grand boulevards that made Warsaw feel like the "Paris of the East" and that were sadly lost in the war were never reconstructed.

On the other hand, Dresden is just an important regional city in Germany, nothing more than that; it's not even the largest city in Saxony right now. While surely only a fraction of its urban fabric was reconstructed, the area around Neumarkt is not just picturesque; it is pretty much what you would expect from a city of Dresden's size and scope.

So yes, Warsaw and Dresden are both impressive in the way they reconstructed their lost heritage; that being said, I personally feel that Dresden managed to get back its pre-war feel a bit more than Warsaw; others could disagree, and it is of course 100% true that rebuilding all the boulevards in Warsaw would have been impossible given the country's situation at the time.
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Old September 27th, 2017, 07:50 PM   #2100
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Reconstruction of Warsaw also included the Royal Route, which is 3 km long (from Castle Square to Łazienki Park)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Route,_Warsaw
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