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Old November 12th, 2008, 07:25 PM   #241
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i love those old Hamburg pics!!!
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Old November 19th, 2008, 07:36 PM   #242
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Old Breslau (even today) and Berlin rule !!!
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Old November 21st, 2008, 01:43 PM   #243
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More Hamburg pics:

View from St. Michaelis


Kaiserhof Altona


Schaarmarkt with St. Michaelis


Kaiser-Wilhelm-Straße


Speicherstadt


Holländischer Brook


Harbor


Zollfleet


Speicherstadt bridge


St. Katharinen


Nikolaifleet




Hopfenmarkt


Dammtorstraße


Spielbudenplatz St. Pauli




Rödingsmarkt






Jungfernstieg

@ erbse: Das ist übrigens das echte Vorkriegsgebäude an den Alsterarkaden (welches heute dort noch mehr oder weniger steht), nicht das von dir hier gezeigte.


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Old November 21st, 2008, 03:06 PM   #244
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Awww... I could cry looking at this pictures... ;(
And I thought Hamburg was pretty good preserved even after the war.
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Old November 22nd, 2008, 12:07 AM   #245
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War is so horrible...
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Old November 22nd, 2008, 12:41 AM   #246
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lovely pictures from old Germany , they knew how to build beautiful Cities with all that magnificent houses and buildings and everything around them !
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Old November 24th, 2008, 08:13 PM   #247
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Heres another thundering disgrace -

Vinegar House in Bremen (Essighaus).

Before ->





After ->



Bottom floor is still there, but fits terribly badly with the rest.



Whoever ok-ed that 'reconstruction' should be shot.
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Old November 26th, 2008, 12:10 PM   #248
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Fantastic pics!
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Old December 4th, 2008, 08:59 PM   #249
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Germany kept most of its monuments (cathedrals, castles etc.). But it's infinitely sad to see all those fantastic civic buildings gone
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Old December 4th, 2008, 09:59 PM   #250
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Awesome pictures , especially Hamburg.
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Old December 8th, 2008, 06:55 PM   #251
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more from Hamburg:

















and some aerials:







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Old December 12th, 2008, 11:52 PM   #252
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Just back from Munich So will have some old/new comparisons, some stuff that looks good still and some 1950s monstrosities soon!
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Old December 19th, 2008, 11:51 PM   #253
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Found a postwar picture of Marienplatz, Munich.



The building in the centre of the picture has been replaced by some inappropriate rubbish, but the Neues Rathaus (to the left) remarkably came out almost unscathed, which is good as it would probably have been too complicated to reconstruct.

Today -



Same view today. The inappropriate building has been painted with pink patterns since this image was taken. (Its not TOO bad) The Altes Rathaus (tower in the background) got rebuilt. Let it be said that part of that building was destroyed by bombing but the tower was knocked by the Nazis so they could fit tanks into the Marienplatz. That building was rebuilt not to its 1900s form, but to its original form from earlier.

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It was also destroyed during the Second World War and reconstucted 1972 on the basis of its appearance prior to 1474.
Heres a pre-war pic -



Although the pre-war painting is nicer, the 'new' version has more complicated stonework.

Translated from German Wiki -

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Old person the city hall is a follow-up's building of the 1310 for the first time documentary mentioned Munich city hall, which continued to stand because of the city attachment, which ended at that time still at Marienplatz, west, but already the eastern conclusion of the central Munich place formed. Already around 1392/94 this building received a large hall, also the valley castle gate of the leonischen city attachment, which was called at that time lower gate, was converted to the city hall tower.
Old persons the city hall on a postcard from late 19. Century, view by Marienplatz direction valley

1460 fell the entire complex, from which a very good description exists, but no illustrations admits are, to a thunderbolt to the victim. 1470 to 1480 build master of building of cathedrals Jörg mentioned by neck brook, „for Ganghofer “, its lateGothic city hall. Central area was the hall construction, whose lateGothic hall belongs to that to the architectural master achievements Munich gothic.

Old person the city hall experienced several transformations, which rose from the respective time taste in run of the centuries: In 17. Century was barockisiert the front, the city hall tower received a Zwiebelkuppel. 1778/79 changed A. Demmel the west front in the style of the late Renaissance, Arnold Zenetti regotisierte the city hall 1861 to 1864 then again in the sense of historicism. The hall Ganghofers remained always untouched thereby.

After the city administration moved 1874 into the first section of the new city hall and now more the old city hall buildings mentioned particularly to representative causes was used, in the ground floor a passage was broken through to the valley with a separate pedestrian passage. 1934/35 were expanded the today's passage in gotisierenden forms over the whole ground floor.

In the Second World War old person was heavily damaged the city hall; the tower of the old person of city hall was broken off 1940, in order to create a passage for tanks between Marienplatz and Tal. The reconstruction took place then in two phases: 1953 to 1958 the hall construction of the old person of city hall were rebuilt, whereby the Ganghofer' hall was the principal item of the reconstruction. In the facade design the monument conservationists oriented themselves at the Gothic original; thus the main window became again more highly; the again-Gothic elements, above all the statues Ludwig of Bavaria (west front) and Heinrich of the Löwens (east front) and the Giebelgestaltung remained.

For a long time in the public a possible reconstruction of the valley castle tower was discussed, finally reconstructed Erwin creeps 1971 to 1974 the 56 meters high old person city hall tower after the Gothic original of 1493.

Note also the small bit of old facade in the building to the right.

Modern pic of the Neues Rathaus - its an absolutely stunning building and if it had been destroyed I'd have traded 100 other Munich reconstructions to get it back.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ugust_2006.jpg

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Old December 21st, 2008, 10:54 PM   #254
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More Munich related destruction.

We've all heard of the Frauenkirche in Munich, the symbol of the city. If not, go read ->

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Frauenkirche

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frauenk...(M%C3%BCnchen)



In a lot of churches in Munich, usually down the back in a corner, is a nondescript notice board with images of war destruction. I quite like the idea - instead of making a huge fuss about it its there for those to see it.

Heres the Frauenkirche ones, its pictures of a picture behind glass, hence the slight angle, but they came out really well IMO.









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Old January 24th, 2009, 06:54 PM   #255
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Strasbourg



Today:





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University library:





All of these buildings were built after 1870...ie they're Wilhelminian.
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Old January 24th, 2009, 07:01 PM   #256
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Straßburg would be one of the most beautiful bigger cities in Germany today.
Some awesome Fachwerkhäuser in the old town, not to forget about the unique Münster.
Elsass-Lothringen is a masterpiece as a whole. No Wunder we've been competing for this clime with the Frogs for ages


Anyway, enough pictures for this page. On the next one, I'll show historical Neubrandenburg.

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Old January 25th, 2009, 12:21 PM   #257
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Map of destroyed German cities

In order to fill the empty space till the next page..


Map of destroyed living space in German cities, after World War II (boundaries of 1937):

[IMG]http://i39.************/e806tx.jpg[/IMG]
Source: SPIEGEL magazine


-> The more red, the more destroyed...
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Old February 7th, 2009, 10:57 AM   #258
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Great pics, everybody!

Since there's already a whole lot of pictures on this page...
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Old February 7th, 2009, 10:57 AM   #259
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... I'll continue ...
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