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Old February 7th, 2009, 11:26 AM   #261
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Historic Kiel

Today Kiel is known for its ugly and faceless post-war-architecture. This is the charming pre-war Kiel:

Old "Skyline" seen from the Kieler Förde.



Bootshafen (doesn't look anything like this today).



Neues Rathaus seen from Hafenstraße.



Rathaus and Opernhaus.



Alter Markt (just one big failed modernism-experiment today).



Some streetviews. Dreiecksplatz (can't believe it looked so urban once).



Holtenauer Straße.



Steinstraße (one of the very few streets that look pretty much the same today).



And finally a beautiful coloured picture of the Kieler Schloss.



All those pics are taken from the wonderful http://www.kieler-rundschau.de/.

Hundrets of other pics can be seen there, just take a look!
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Old February 7th, 2009, 03:58 PM   #262
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Unbelievable pictures!

Germany had definitively the best architecture, urban planning and infrastructure at this time...so sad that this stupid war
destroyed the most of them
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Old February 7th, 2009, 11:46 PM   #263
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This is very true but however there is a price to pay for initiating quite possibly the worst war of humankind.

Thank G-d Dresden is not following the example of many other german cities which didn't rebuild but instead built over!
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Old February 17th, 2009, 08:06 PM   #264
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Urk. Before/after pics

Before


HUGE version -> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...platz_1900.jpg

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(Rathaus on the left was extended before the war.)

But look at the lovely castle-y building at the far end of the square and the nonsense that replaced it.
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Old February 25th, 2009, 11:13 AM   #265
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^ My thoughts exactly. The building you're talking about should definitely be reconstructed, because it was one of the most concise and beautiful buildings at the Marienplatz of Munich.
I also think it was quite a big mistake to reconstruct the Old City Hall in its bland Gothic form, and not the far more interesting historicist one.


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Some nice historical Berlin photos someone posted in this epic thread:

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Old March 29th, 2009, 06:30 PM   #266
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Frankfurt am Main - Haus Frauenstein & Salzhaus (to the right)

These timbered houses are just to the right of the reconstructed city hall (Römer).
I hope they will be reconstructed in the near future as well (they're going to rebuild other parts of the old town through the next years, thou).


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Old March 30th, 2009, 08:03 PM   #267
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AFAIK these two gorgeous buildings wont be rebuilt, as they have a newer (and uglier) Salzhaus built somewhere else

Its a travesty and someone should be kicked in the head repeatadly. These would be a tourist attraction in themselves if rebuilt.

Enormous pic of the old ones in colour ->

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Photochrom.jpg

Detailed plans of the Salzhaus ->

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...assade_ill.gif

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...achstrasse.gif

The new ones (nonsense) ->

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rberg-2007.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rberg-2007.jpg

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Old March 30th, 2009, 08:35 PM   #268
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rberg-2007.jpg

At least it is possible, and quite easy today to bring the building back to the previous, original looks.
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Old March 30th, 2009, 10:31 PM   #269
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This is typical of a lot of reconstructions throughout Germany, where the first floor was salvaged from the ruins only to be saddled with a hideous replacement. The Essighaus in Bremen is another classic example of this, but at least they used standard brick to soften the blow somewhat.
I see that along with the preserved lower floor they also managed to save a few panels, if indeed they are originals and not copies. If they are original then their placement is the only thing I like about the atrocious facade.
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I hate to say it but there is absolutely nothing even remotely nice about the Essighaus in Bremen. What they did to it is an absolute disgrace, they took a beautiful old building and put a cheap council house esque building on top of it. Someone should be shot for even CONSIDERING doing what they did to it.
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Old March 31st, 2009, 07:39 PM   #271
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Well, frankly this was a real act of neglecting the beautiful and precious architecture of the old building, and replacing this with something modernistish - fake-historic-in-shape.
But to be honest - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...etail-2007.jpg - I like the mosaic, and the overall shape, and I could really stand this and say 'I like it' if only the previous one was so much more precious.
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Here are the remains of Essighaus and the somewhat bland compromise of brick surrounding it. (wiki)



A couple of buildings down from the Essighaus we see a house where it appears that the upper gables survived and the lower floors are a reconstruction. (wiki)



Here is another photo I found of a house in Bremen (panoramio) which lost everything but the lower first floor facade. Must have been a sight to behold. I couldn't find a name for it so if anyone out there knows I would appreciate if you could post the name.

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Old May 15th, 2009, 07:33 AM   #273
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^ Yeah, that's a pretty sad example what happened to a singular gem..
I hope it gets reconstructed one day!
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Old May 15th, 2009, 07:34 AM   #274
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One of the greatest early shopping passages/galleries of Berlin - the Kaisergalerie (shown in the first photo):

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Berlin street scenes, a hundred years ago.

Mark Twain visited Berlin in 1891 and wrote a travel letter:


read the whole travel letter, very interesting

It amazes me that this was considered modern back then. What will be modern in a hundred years from now?

Friedrichstraße / Unter den Linden corner

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...haler_1909.jpg

Leipziger Straße

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...%9Fe,_1907.jpg

The Leipziger Straße is total wack today, btw.
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Old May 17th, 2009, 10:40 AM   #275
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If you are interested in Germany and 19th century architecture of it you should visit my thread
It's about Wroclaw (Breaslau) today It was destroyed but plenty of old buildings have survived so I'm trying to document it all before they collapse
It is one of the biggest collection of 19th century buildings in Europe, but most of them are in really bad shape ... howevere there is a big revitalization program going on so there's a glimpse of chance that will see and old good Breslau...
BUt still since we live now please check my thread and feel free to comment on it

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=814072
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Old July 13th, 2009, 05:37 PM   #276
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There has been really quiet recently in this thread, so I'll move it up and post some new pictures.

My town, where I was born and I live now, was back in history a small fisherman's village, which had its town's priviliges confirmed in 1513 (the first date of giving - not confirming - the priviliges is not known). It had its quiet life, from time to time there were a couple of fires, that burned down more or less of its wooden housing. With the 1st Partition of Poland it became Prussian, and then as a consequence - German. After the Industrial Revolution, the town experienced a big development process, some factories were opened and about 1840, the first bricked buildings appeared in town (except for the much older catholic church). Until the 1st World War, the city became quite a big one in the region, and after the war it was given the title of the capitol city for "Grenzmark Posen-WestPreussen". In 1945, Hitler's order was to change the town into a Festung. The Red Army reaching the town didn't care about the buildings. It was totaly destroyed, and about 75% building were totaly collapsed and burned down. After the 2nd World War it was a poor time for the town. After cleaning up the debris nothing was done to rebuild some of the objects. In the town center a couple of buildings were built in the mid 1950ties, but nothing else really. In late 1960ties there appeared a new project of the town, and they started to realise this. In the center, where there once were tenements and churches, villas and department stores, all this was replaced with pretty unpretty and architectually worthless blocks of flats. In the seat of ruins of a gothic-baroque church, a huge hotel was build, in spite of plans of rebuilding this very precious landmark. See how it looks today, and how it looked some time ago:

Meet Schneidemuhl - today Piła.

Neuer Markt and Friedrichstrasse (New Marketplace and Friedrichstreet) - Then:





And now:




Kleine Kirchenstrasse (Small Churchstreet) - then:



And now:



Neuer Markt (New Market)





Neuer Markt area with Stadkirche:





Alten Markt (Old Market Place) - aerial views:





This is the first set I am posting, I'll probably wait for the next page to go on. Comments are welcome.
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A sad view. Really sad. But even more sadly, there are plenty of such towns in former German areas.

I'm not saying it with joy, but I'd like to see more photos.
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Hello all.

I'd like to thank everyone who contributed in this thread, I am as well a lover of pre-WWII german architecture and this has been a very interesting reading.

I also have a question about the Kaisergalerie. ¿Did anyone posting here saw the building or the ruin before its demolition? If so, I'd really like to know what material it was made of and what color its outer facades were. I read somewhere that the interior was made of terracotta, perhaps the exterior was as well, but I don't think so, judging by the B/W pictures I've seen. Any information would be very appreciated.

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Hello all.

I'd like to thank everyone who contributed in this thread, I am as well a lover of pre-WWII german architecture and this has been a very interesting reading.

I also have a question about the Kaisergalerie. ¿Did anyone posting here saw the building or the ruin before its demolition? If so, I'd really like to know what material it was made of and what color its outer facades were. I read somewhere that the interior was made of terracotta, perhaps the exterior was as well, but I don't think so, judging by the B/W pictures I've seen. Any information would be very appreciated.
Innen- und Außenfassaden aus Sandstein und Terrakotta

Inner and outer facades made of terracotta and sandstone

more pictures
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...rgalerie&go=Go

if you are a lover of pre-ww2 german architecture, then please click this link
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=#post39447618
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Vielen dank, Dr.Mabuse
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