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Old July 18th, 2009, 02:19 PM   #281
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I'm not saying it with joy, but I'd like to see more photos.
Since you've asked for some more, here they go:

Polnisches Kirche (The Polish Church) - the oldest church in the town, built with the help of the Queen Constance in late baroque style, later the towers were made higher and new helmuts were added in the German period. It was destroyed during the 2nd world war, after there were a couple of plans to rebuild this, but the ruins were abandoned till 1975. In that year, with the new administration process of Poland, Piła became the capitol of voievodship, and unfortunatelly, the very nice seat on the bank river was - in the opinio of the party - the best place to build a new hotel in town.

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Ruins in early 70ties:



And this is what we have now:







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Old July 19th, 2009, 10:58 PM   #282
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Ouch


Thank you very much for the addition! Sadly, in GDR times things like that happened to many East German churches as well, even if they were in a far better condition or nearly untouched (such as in several cases in Berlin or Magdeburg).

But the first of those demolished churches is about to get reconstructed now.

It's the baroque Garnisonkirche in Potsdam near Berlin.

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Breite Strasse and Garnisonkirche







Interior










With the Stadtschloss (City Palace) to the right - which will also be reconstructed, thanks to generous donators








The Stadtschloss itself






Ruins of the church after allied Bombing raids in WW2







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In June 1968, Walter Ulbricht (head of GDR state) gave the order to blow the church up.


The church will supposedly be reconstructed until 2017
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Old July 20th, 2009, 02:21 PM   #283
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Good they didn't put up something concrete and huge to replace it, and there is still a parcel wating for the reconstruction.
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Now are these going to be total, faithful reconstructions or 'modern' or 'rebuilt in a simpler form'???
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Old July 21st, 2009, 12:09 PM   #285
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The exterior of both will be fully reconstructed. The inside of the castle will probably combine reconstructed parts (such as the art-historically important staircase of Knobelsdorff) and not reconstructed parts, since it's going to be used by the Brandenburg state parliament.

I'm not sure about the church, but I think I've read they plan to fully reconstruct the interiors.
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Old July 23rd, 2009, 05:03 PM   #286
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Ok, here I go with some more pictures:

Posener Strasse (Poznań Street) - today a inner city pathway. Both views go to the same direction.





Holy Family Church - Heilige Familie Kirche - a catholic church built about 1915. Happily, it survived the war. In the late 60-ties they changed old tiled roof into a cooper one.







Moltke Strasse with Moltke Schule:




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Old July 23rd, 2009, 05:19 PM   #287
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Historic Kiel

Today Kiel is known for its ugly and faceless post-war-architecture. This is the charming pre-war Kiel:
Really a great lost!

Some beautiful peaces of baroque architecture in the last posts. It's that kind of Germany, you don't immagine frequently.

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Old July 23rd, 2009, 11:25 PM   #288
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Bavaria is full of baroque architecture, I always thought this was seen as the German stereotype?!


Well, you could be thinking about timbered houses then. Eh?
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Old July 24th, 2009, 12:02 AM   #289
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Yes the timpered houses maybe prevail in my immagination, but not because in Germany there are not classic or renaissance building but because of the destruction of the WWII.

Anyway, it's true that Bavaria is full of Baroque and is the German region that has followed more quickly the renaissance inovations. The rest was more affectionated with the gothic that was born between France and Germany and the mature Roman renaissance came later especially during the 18 and 19 century under the form of neoclassicism and classicism.

BTW, Bavaria is the land of rococò:

Zimmermann, Wieskirche

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Old July 31st, 2009, 11:09 PM   #290
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Heres a very interesting article comparing Old Nuremberg with New Nuremberg. Shows in a very sickening way the disasterous reconstruction that went on there.

Really, they need to get a bulldozer to the city

http://www.stadtbild-deutschland.de/...e/1/index.html

Altavista translates quite well.

http://uk.babelfish.yahoo.com/transl...rUrl=Translate
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Heres a very interesting article comparing Old Nuremberg with New Nuremberg. Shows in a very sickening way the disasterous reconstruction that went on there.

Really, they need to get a bulldozer to the city

http://www.stadtbild-deutschland.de/...e/1/index.html

Altavista translates quite well.

http://uk.babelfish.yahoo.com/transl...rUrl=Translate
yeah, some more pictures

http://www.bildindex.de/#|11

http://www.bildindex.de/#|13

http://www.bildindex.de/#|16

Video Nürnberg from above
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ekXD6O-Fmk

Another video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdX3PWD6dHM&NR=1

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Old September 20th, 2009, 12:58 PM   #292
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DRESDEN (SAXONY) - Dresdner Sophienkirche

Ahoi I'll post my little excurse from the Dresden Neumarkt thread here as well:



Dresden - gothic Sophienkirche

Construction started in 1250, so the church was the oldest of Dresden.
After heavy bombing raids in WWII, it was left in ruins in 1945.
The GDR government decided to tear it down, they started with the demolitions in 1950 and finished them in 1962. The city of Dresden started to build a memorial in its place, which includes the reconstruction of some parts.


Historical photos of the Sophienkirche:

With the baroque Zwinger palace in the foreground (photochrom print around 1900)

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Baroque Zwinger and gothic Sophienkirche, photo of 1880
(The towers are neogothic, btw)

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Sepia photo, around 1900

Source: herberts-home.de - more photos to be found there


Sophienkirche and Postplatz in the foreground, quite some splendid square back then, today it rather looks deserted


Source: ZENO.org -- click for full resolution


Source: herberts-home.de


Source: herberts-home.de


They simplified the church towers later (in 1933), because the neogothic towers were quite sensitive regarding the weather and about to be dangerous (stuff falling down from there), but it was said to be a temporary solution and to restore the neogothic towers later.

[IMG]http://i38.************/29w8lkh.jpg[/IMG]
Source: Bildindex.de


Sophienkirche after the allied bombing raids in 1945

by Wiki

[IMG]http://i37.************/21l1kc4.jpg[/IMG]
Source: Bildindex.de


The GDR government (under Walter Ulbricht) decided to blow it up in 1962.
"A socialist city doesn't need gothic church towers!"


One day before the final demolition

Source: nicole1982.de


For more churches blown up in Dresden and the whole GDR, have a look at this page (warning: EXPLICIT/SAD CONTENT!): http://www.kirchensprengung.de/Dresden.htm





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Does anyone know where to find interior pictures of it?
Check out www.bildindex.de.
Just follow the link "Orte" on the sidebar to the left, then "Deutschland" > "D" > "Dresden" > "Sakralbau, alph." > "Sophienkirche".

You'll find hundreds of photos of the Sophienkirche there. This page offers loads of photos of any German city (as well as other European ones) and is a real treasure.


One of the interior photos you can find there:
[IMG]http://i35.************/5ofp6v.jpg[/IMG]
Source: Bildindex.de -- full resolution

The baroque Silbermann pipe organ

Source: nicole1982.de


You can also find additional photos there: nicole1982.de


Now that's what they're going to build on its place: A memorial called "Busmannkapelle" (Busmann chapel). They'll reconstruct some back parts of the choir and use original stones for this. It'll commemorate WWII and the horrible failures of the GDR government after the war. The construction started in September 2009.


Source: neumarkt-dresden.de / Gustavs und Lungwitz Architekten

German website of the memorial: www.busmannkapelle.de (You can donate for it)

More German info and images of the future memorial: GHND - neumarkt-dresden.de
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Old January 24th, 2010, 11:37 AM   #293
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Some great historical comparison of Berlin cityscape - seen from Straße des 17. Juni
(in front of the Brandenburg Gate, where it leads to the Siegessäule / Victory Column):


1930 ca.:
[IMG]http://i50.************/iequep.jpg[/IMG]

1945:


Berlin Wall period (1966/1968):



2008/2009:
[IMG]http://i46.************/25pmvbs.jpg[/IMG]
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Old January 24th, 2010, 02:18 PM   #294
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The exterior of both will be fully reconstructed. The inside of the castle will probably combine reconstructed parts (such as the art-historically important staircase of Knobelsdorff) and not reconstructed parts, since it's going to be used by the Brandenburg state parliament.

I'm not sure about the church, but I think I've read they plan to fully reconstruct the interiors.
Really great news about the Garrison Church. I have a book named "The Vanished Kingdom" published in 1999 in which the author travels around various parts of what was once Prussia. There's a sad picture of the bells of the Garrison Church, which were saved, mounted on an ugly steel structure next to a children's playground. According to the book, the Garrison Church wasn't rebuilt because it symbolized "Prussian militarism".
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The Brandenburg Gate shots are fascinating. It looks to me as though many of the damaged buildings could've been repaired instead of totally demolishing them!
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Old January 24th, 2010, 08:08 PM   #296
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Cologne

Another Todays and yesterday pictures, Move over with the mouse!
http://www.luftbildportal.de/besonde..._bilder1.html#

1945

http://www.zeitzeugenboerse-koeln.de...002.jbh_01.jpg

?

http://www.ansichtskarten-center.de/...23398_gr_1.jpg

Maybe in the 1960's

http://www.ansichtskarten-center.de/...10606_gr_1.jpg

1943 or 1944

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fm933469a.jpg

1960
[IMG]http://www.*********************/img/a8/e3/1326.978x1304xin.jpeg[/IMG]
http://www.*********************/img/a...8x1304xin.jpeg

2000er
http://www.luftbild-design.de/luftbi...egional/01.htm
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Old January 29th, 2010, 05:41 PM   #298
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Köln was so beautiful
oh, and why did they demolish the towers of the Hohenzollernbrücke??
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^ I also stated that out some time ago. No idea. And it doesn't seem justified as they stood stable even during the 60s. Same goes for the central station it seems. Those towers should be reconstructed. That'd effectively make Köln more beautiful.
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