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Old July 4th, 2011, 03:34 AM   #461
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I suppose the key to understand the "German-ness" vs. the "Polish-ness" of a city is tied to the city's greatest period of growth and development. If a piece of land was German but there were no city there, and then it became Polish and a city was built, it would be Polish. The same is true in the inverse, no?
Well, things are somewhat more complex...
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Old July 4th, 2011, 03:40 AM   #462
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I suppose the key to understand the "German-ness" vs. the "Polish-ness" of a city is tied to the city's greatest period of growth and development.
Duh

When Gdansk was in Poland it was the richest city in Europe (yes Europe, not just in Poland, not just in Central Europe, but in the whole of Europe). It had unparalleled trade privileges granted by Polish monarchs over the years.

After Prussians took over the city in early XIX century its economy completely collapsed and never recovered. From ultra-rich Shakespearean economic hub with virtual monopoly on Polish wood and grain trade it became nothing but a peripheral Prussian city. There were multiple popular uprisings in the city to re-establish some sort of Polish rule (even though Poland practically did not exist as a state having been partitioned).

So all in all the tally is pretty dismal - 1308 - Teutonic Knights sacked the city and murder all of its 9000 inhabitants - trade collapses as Poland is cut off from the sea, early 1800s Prussians dismember Poland and take the city - economy completely collapses, 1939-1945 Nazi war results in complete annihilation of 90% of the city.

The only reason Gdansk was ever rich was the sea/river connection just like Krakow, Warsaw, Torun, Grudziadz. Goods from all over Poland and neighboring countries were traded, moved and sold all along Vistula and imported/exported via Gdansk (just like the Nile in Egypt). Every time this economic setup was in any way distorted it ended in complete disaster.
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Old July 4th, 2011, 03:50 AM   #463
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...and so, the exception to the rule? Stettin was cut off by Poland and it's economy collapsed. What's your point? The architecture of Danzig/Gdansk appears to be of the Hanseatic League. If you want to turn this into a Germany versus Poland thing, knock yourself out. It'll be a pity party for one.

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Old July 4th, 2011, 05:40 AM   #464
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Old July 4th, 2011, 08:24 AM   #465
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Aerial views of Berlin, 1920s. Enjoy!

Nikolaiviertel.


Museum Island, Stadtschloss, Friedrichswerder


Alt-Berlin, Alexanderplatz


Hausvogteiplatz, with its distinctive U-Bahn entrance



Stadtschloss


Friedrichstadt: Regierungsviertel, Wilhelmstrraße, Dreifaltigkeitskirche


Gendarmenmarkt


Unter den Linden, Dorotheenstadt


Brandenburg Gate and Pariser Platz


Moabit (Lehrter Bahnhof and Güterbahnhof, and former Kolonialmuseum), Humboldthafen, Spreebogen, Königsplatz (first time I can see the back side of Krolloper)


Another view of Potsdamer Platz and Leipziger Straße (note the Potsdamer Bahnhof in the lower centre)


Anhalter Bahnhof and Askanischer Platz


Halensee:


Schöneberg: Bayerischer Platz


Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church and Zoologischer Garten


Potsdamer Platz


Leipziger Platz


Mühlendamm


Fischerinsel: the neogothic Petrikirche



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Old July 4th, 2011, 08:47 AM   #466
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Frankfurt again. The pic shows the house "Zur Goldenen Waage" (to the golden scale; if you look closely you know why). This house will get reconstructed soon.


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Old July 4th, 2011, 10:24 AM   #467
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Questions...

Does anyone know what the Monbijou Palace looked like in Berlin?

What's the status of the Berlin Stadtpalast?

Any opinions on the new Leipziger Platz? To me it seems very monotonous and needs more architectural diversity...?

Is the Wertheim site under construction at the Leipziger Platz?

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the Wertheim site is under construction. http://www.leipzigerplatz12.de/filea...=1301049723091
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Old July 4th, 2011, 10:51 AM   #468
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Old July 4th, 2011, 10:58 AM   #469
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Absolutely mindblowingly beautiful aerials of Berlin up on this page!
THE most stunning city on Earth!
A horror, digrace and tragedy what it and its people have had to go through.
Keep making things right!
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Old July 4th, 2011, 11:25 AM   #470
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Old July 4th, 2011, 12:01 PM   #471
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And another great pic of Frankfurt before the destruction. You can see how narrow the streets were:


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Old July 4th, 2011, 12:58 PM   #472
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Indeed it was a horror, disgrace and tragedy, what Berliners "had to go through".

Considering the above, maybe they and their compatriots should not have started an aggressive genocidal world war in the first place? Then they would not "have to" suffer any horror, disgrace and tragedy.

Oh, btw...

During WW2, Berlin lost about 50,000 inhabitants as result of Allied bombing and the final battle with Soviets. That's ca 1.5% of its pre-war population. Of Berlin's huge urban complex, less than 50% was destroyed or damaged, most of it in city centre.

Poland's capital, Warsaw, lost more than 500,000 people (yes, HALF A MILLION) from 1939 to 1945, as result of a scheme carefully planned, methodically implemented by Nazi-German occupiers in successive phases, to annihilate the city and its inhabitants. That's more than 38% of the city's pre-war population. Of Warsaw's urban complex, more than 80% was completely destroyed. Most of the destruction was inflicted by special German demolition squads, without any military purpose, just because the Fuehrer wanted Warsaw to be erased from the map forever.

This is what Warsaw "had to go through", despite the fact that the country of which it's the capital, did not attack anyone, it did not start any war, it did absolutely nothing to deserve it.
Oh please. I'm really happy for you and I'mma let you finish, BUT THIS IS AN ARCHITECTURE FORUM! Give it a rest already.
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Old July 4th, 2011, 02:33 PM   #473
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Don't pay too much attention to Odoaker.

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And it makes many people feel irritated at the constant whining in threads like this about the uniquely tragic, undeserved fate of Berlin and other German cities.
You do realize that this is a thread about German cities, don't you? Hence there'll be whining about the loss of these cities w/o having to mention "but Warsaw fared even worse" at the end of every paragraph.

Anyway, there is no need to have the 54th installment of this goddamn discussion about who did what and why and who suffered more. There is no point in arguing about this.
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Old July 4th, 2011, 02:49 PM   #474
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Pics of Cologne by August Sander


Tower of City Hall and the Hohenzollern Bridge


Heumarkt/Hay Market


Cologne Cathedral


St. Mary's

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Old July 4th, 2011, 02:50 PM   #475
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Always the same boring crap... and Odoaker, you are an i***t and should be banned.
Anyway, to bring Poles and Germans together..., OK, maybe not,
Liegnitz, since 1945 Legnica in Poland. The historic town centre wasn't lost in WW2 but in the 60s:



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Old July 4th, 2011, 03:08 PM   #476
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Cologne

The beautiful Gründerzeit Hohenzollernring...most of this was lost:


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Kaiser-Wilhelm-Ring:


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Salierring:


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Barbarossaplatz:


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Fünffingerplätzchen (five finger square), one of the most picturesque parts of old Frankfurt:


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Old July 4th, 2011, 03:24 PM   #478
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Now give it finally a stop people!

I deleted most of the latest posts. I brigged Odoaker for his extremist, falsely turned historical statements and disrespectful comments. If you think it's time to start it all again, you'll follow his example!

This thread is free of any war/victim and the likes discussions now, I'll delete anything in that direction. This is about the history of German architecture and former old towns, nothing more or less. Accept this, finally!




Thanks for contributing even further guys! Please don't pay attention to people who start provoking those disgraceful discussions.

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Old July 4th, 2011, 03:32 PM   #479
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Now the Frisian town of Emden. This beautiful Renaissance town was compeletely destroyed in WW2. A almost forgotten loss.






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Old July 4th, 2011, 03:37 PM   #480
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the Wertheim site is under construction. http://www.leipzigerplatz12.de/filea...=1301049723091
Thanks Xorcist! I like the fact that the holes in the urban fabric are being filled, and I know we can or should not always try to recreate what's been lost.

Thanks for all the new pictures.

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