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Old August 3rd, 2012, 02:50 AM   #601
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don't forget Berlin!

But there are still some germs left.

Look at Erfurt, Leipzig or Heidelberg. Bamberg or Ettenheim
parts of Frankfurt too



Here is the bahnhofsviertel in 1945. as you can see, about half of the structures are still standing, while the walls are intact on most structures. The area was outside of the mid eval town center, and therefore, was not bombed as heavily.

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Old August 3rd, 2012, 12:42 PM   #602
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Not the biggest part, sadly... but still, a few major buildings will be reconstructed.
Sounds like a good idea. But I also heard to have an idea to rebuild the spire of the Lange Franz and give the Kämmerei it's originall roof back, as part of the reconstructions in Frankfurt. Will these plans also be released?

Langer Franz (with old spire)


Langer Franz with new 'spire'
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 05:27 PM   #603
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I think it is the Gnadenkirche:


http://www.bildindex.de


Nice one! It is the Gnadenkirche im Invalidenpark, plus the monument to the left of the church is the Invalidensäule. { Not this photo, but the one of Lehrter Bahnhof showing the Gnadenkirche in the background.} I was hoping to post some photos, but it seems that I am not able to.
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Old August 4th, 2012, 03:13 AM   #604
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Sounds like a good idea. But I also heard to have an idea to rebuild the spire of the Lange Franz and give the Kämmerei it's originall roof back, as part of the reconstructions in Frankfurt. Will these plans also be released?
These reconstruction plans came to a halt a few months ago, sadly. Lack of funds apparently.
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With a few reconstructions these cities look great. Are they going to reconstruct the biggest part between the Dom and the Roemer or will the newly built buildings be semi-reconstructions/modernist buildings?
Take a look at this website, it is very insightful.
http://domroemer.de/site/rekonstruktionen/
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Take a look at this website, it is very insightful.
http://domroemer.de/site/rekonstruktionen/

Thanks for the link
Some of the designs look really great...But others are just horrible
If there stands 'Rekonstruktion möglich' (Reconstructions possible),
why not build there reconstructions if it's possible.
If the Dom-Roemer Area is meant to reconstruct and architectural developments,
rebuild 80-90% of that area and less then 20% of the left space can be used for modernist buildings in some kind of traditional style.

But still great that they're going to reconstruct many of the lost buildings like the Goldene Waage and the Esslinger
(I wonder how the rebuild Hof zum Rebstock would look like)
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Berlin, Friedrichstraße




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Old August 4th, 2012, 07:33 PM   #608
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I was hoping to post some photos, but it seems that I am not able to.
This should help you out: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=108962
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Old August 6th, 2012, 04:19 PM   #609
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The post-war reconstruction of 2 (Elblag/Elbing, Gdansk/Danzig) out of 3 largest cities in Polish Prussia (also called Royal Prussia, richest part of Poland in 1454/1466-1772/1793, state was annexed by force during partitions of Poland). These cities were completely destroyed during WW2 by Soviets and Nazis.

Links:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1515133

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1486666


BTW, http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1507998

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Old August 7th, 2012, 10:49 AM   #610
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Actually, the photos of Danzig/Gdansk that you're posting were taken in the Old Town, Main Town areas which were built under Polish rule (and again, mostly reconstructed by Poles after 1945, see below). Unfortunately, there aren't many Prussian/German buildings left in the city, because almost all were demolished during or after WW2 (and Poles didn't really care about German cultural heritage after the war).

Some townhouses in 1765 (when Danzig/Gdansk was ruled by Polish king):


1765:


Now (rebuilt after 1945):


1765:


Now (rebuilt after 1945):


1765:


1765:


Danzig/Gdansk in 1770:


Now (rebuilt after 1945):


1687:


Now (rebuilt after 1945):


Royal Chapel (built for Polish king John III Sobieski in 1678-1681 by Tylman Gamerski)


Upland Gate (decorated with Polish and Royal Prussia Coat of Arms in 1586, "Sapientissime fiunt quae pro Republica fiunt")


Artus Court (decorated with statues of Polish kings in 1617 by Abraham van den Blocke)


Golden House (again, decorated with statues of Polish kings between 1609-1617 by Abraham van den Blocke)


Neptune's Fountain (decorated with Polish eagles in 1634 by Jan Roggen)


Great Armoury (built in 1602-1605 by Anthonis van Obbergen - one of statues: Cossack with the head of Jan Podkowa sentenced to death in Lwow by Polish king Stefan Batory)


Golden statue of Polish king Sigismund II Augustus on the Town Hall tower (built in 1561, restored recently)


Green Gate built in 1568-1571 by Reiner van Amsterdam. The gate, as well as the broad tenement house, was built to host the Polish kings visiting the city. In one of the Green Gate's rooms is the office of the former President, Lech Walesa.


Straganiarska Gate built in 1481-1492 (Polish and Royal Prussia Coat of Arms)


Gdansk Population:
Before 10th Century - ? (maybe few couples)
Before 12th Century - few hundred (wooden houses)
1300 - 2.000 (under Polish Crown)
1378 - 8.500 (under Teutonic Order)
1500 - 20.000 (under Polish Crown)
1620 - 70.000 (under Polish Crown)
1852 - 67.000 (under Prussian rule)

As you can see, Gdansk under Polish Crown had the highest population growth and between 15th-18th Century (when city used to be one of the richest port-cities in Northern Europe, and of course after 1945) most of the city has been built (including Royal Way, Golden Gate, The Great Armoury, Townhouses, Neptune's Fountain, Green Gate and so on...). The same situation was with Elblag/Elbing (which under Polish Crown in 1594 had population of around 30.000 and under Prussian rule in 1861 had only 25.091).

I'm also a numismatist, and the Gdansk Mint was making the best Polish coins between 15th-18th Century...





Danzig/Gdansk in 1720 (Polnischen Preußen, Polish Prussia)


Throughout its long history Danzig/Gdansk faced various periods of rule from different states before 1945...
997-1308: as part of Poland
1308-1454: as part of territory of Teutonic Order
1454-1466: Thirteen Years' War
1466-1793: as part of Poland (15th to mid 17th Century is called Polish Golden Age. It's the time when most of Gdansk Old Town was built. Please see the following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Golden_Age)
Gdansk/Danzig during this period

1793-1805: as part of Prussia
1807-1814: as free city
1815-1871: as part of Prussia
1871-1920: Imperial Germany
1920-1939: as a free city
1939-1945: Nazi Germany
1945-now: territory of Poland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gda%C5%84sk

Between 1945 and the late 1960s Polish artisans restored much of the old city's architecture, up to 90% destroyed in the war. The reconstruction was not tied to the city’s pre-war appearance, instead its politically motivated purpose was to rebuild an idealized pre-1793 state (when the city was under Polish crown). Any traces of German tradition were ignored or regarded as "Prussian barbarism" worthy of demolition while Flemish-Dutch, Italian and French influences were emphasized.

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And what has all this to do with the topic of this thread?

Anyway
Berlin, Leipziger Straße. This street was mostly destroyed in WW2, and only a few buildings, like the very interesting Museum für Kommunikation Berlin, the former Reichspostmuseum (imperial post museum) survived. This is the Wertheim department store I think.

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Amazing thread how is amazing the economic and population grow of Germany in the end of XIX and the begin of XX century!
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Actually, the photos of Danzig/Gdansk that you're posting were taken in the Old Town...
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I'm glad you liked it. BTW, some of the pictures from first page (historic area of Danzig/Gdansk built under Polish rule):
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/pp...700/00749v.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/pp...700/00750v.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/pp...700/00751v.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/pp...700/00752v.jpg
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I'm glad you liked it. BTW, some of the pictures from first page (historic area of Danzig/Gdansk built under Polish rule):
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pre-war European and even some American cities (LA, Detroit, NYC)looked so intensely urban - people everywhere, a riot of advertising, streetcars and those soot-covered old buildings heavy with ornamentation and detail.

my question to anyone who might know - how did they clean stone buildings of coal dust prior to WWII? didn't have sand-blasting, high pressure air or liquid nitrogen pellets.
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my question to anyone who might know - how did they clean stone buildings of coal dust prior to WWII? didn't have sand-blasting, high pressure air or liquid nitrogen pellets.
Judging from the soot-covered buildings in those pictures, my guess is they didn't clean them.

Maybe that is one of the reasons this kind of architecture was destroyed in the first place... it was easier just to demolish old, dusty, decayed facades that made the cities bleak to replace them with shiny concrete and glass.

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And what has all this to do with the topic of this thread?
Not so much, indeed.

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Berlin, Leipziger Straße. This street was mostly destroyed in WW2, and only a few buildings, like the very interesting Museum für Kommunikation Berlin, the former Reichspostmuseum (imperial post museum) survived. This is the Wertheim department store I think.

http://i.imgur.com/eMdSB.jpg
Tell me, why???!!! This building was such a beauty. And yes, it's the Wertheim Kaufhaus, façade at Leipziger Straße, one of the most important department stores along with KaDeWe. Nice picture, full of details.

Here is another one, showing construction of U-Bahnhof Hallesches Tor, 1901.


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Maybe that is one of the reasons this kind of architecture was destroyed in the first place... it was easier just to demolish old, dusty, decayed facades that made the cities bleak to replace them with shiny concrete and glass.
Or Plattenbauten. Sometimes it's hard to say which one is worse.
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Dortmund old market with the oldest town hall in germany till 1945 : Ohno:




[SIZE="<font><font>1</font></font>"]Quelle:Stadtarchiv Dortmund[/SIZE]
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