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Old September 3rd, 2012, 12:23 AM   #761
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Italian art was always admired and highly appreciated in Germany. Same with France, England, Spain and so on. But Poland?
Polish art is in many ways better than Slovenian, Icelandic, Albanian, Moldovian, Estonian, Slovak, Latvian, Lithuanian, Georgian, Irish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, etc. Does it mean that all these European countries shouldn't exist because their cultural heritage is not as rich as Italian, French or even Polish?

PS. If you would like to see many examples of wonderful Polish architecture, you should visit Krakow (UNESCO), Lwow (UNESCO), Warszawa (UNESCO), Wilno (UNESCO), Zamosc (UNESCO), Kalwaria Zebrzydowska (UNESCO), Wieliczka Salt Mine (UNESCO), Wooden churches of Southern Little Poland (UNESCO), Nieswiez Castle (UNESCO), Mir Castle (UNESCO), Kamieniec Podolski (UNESCO tentative list), Lublin, Przemysl and so on: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1507998

PS2. Comparison between Lwow/Lviv and Breslau/Wroclaw after the war: http://www.iwm.at/files/jc-24-03.pdf

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Old September 3rd, 2012, 12:54 AM   #762
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Heres a request - does anyone have any good pictures of the Bavarian Army Museum in Munich? Nowadays its the State Chancellery.

Heres a photo of it now (spot the modern additions)

http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel...lery-BR-1.html

This is the only photo of how it used to look I can find, anyone got more?


Let's try:



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Old September 3rd, 2012, 01:01 AM   #763
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Heres a request - does anyone have any good pictures of the Bavarian Army Museum in Munich? Nowadays its the State Chancellery.

Heres a photo of it now (spot the modern additions)

http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel...lery-BR-1.html
It looks like a frigging greenhouse now

What was it with the postwar Germans (1946 through roughly 1990) and their self-hating determination to make everything in their country as ugly as humanly possible?

That actually was a rather nice looking building at one time.

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Old September 3rd, 2012, 01:03 AM   #764
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Such a shame they didn't rebuild at least the outer walls. Fortunately, the building shoudn't be hard to recreate.
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Old September 3rd, 2012, 01:36 AM   #765
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It will always remain a mystery what turned architects worldwide into morons after WWI. From one day to another they claimed to follow philosophical views and to serve society and were yet so dumb and destroyed every building before it was even constructed.

Stuttgart


















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Old September 3rd, 2012, 01:44 AM   #766
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A mystery indeed what turned them into such utter morons.

Stuttgart being the quintessential example. Your pictures here illustrate what a stunningly beautiful city Stuttgart used to be.
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Old September 3rd, 2012, 04:40 PM   #767
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I think cars changed our architecture. Streets became wider, parking places were needed and so on.

German pre war cities reached the highest level in terms of urban planning and arch. level. Tough to beat it.
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Old September 4th, 2012, 03:40 AM   #768
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Another shot of the Stiftskirche


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Old September 4th, 2012, 11:04 AM   #769
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Dessau, Kavalierstraße




Dessau, Mausoleum

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Old September 4th, 2012, 09:25 PM   #770
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Breslau, Sudpark

Restaurant in the southern park.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 12:17 AM   #771
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Let's try:

[IM G]http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7739/mi02265b02a.jpg[/IMG]

Liberated

[I MG]http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/46/mi02265b04a.jpg[/IMG]

[I MG]http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/6246/mi02265b05a.jpg[/IMG]

[I MG]http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7954/mi02265b06a.jpg[/IMG]
Thanks for those!

Apparently they did the greenhouse thing to make the parliament more transparent...
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Old September 5th, 2012, 12:49 AM   #772
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Wunderbar. So schade, dass die Deutschen eines Tages sich als sogenannte Herrenrasse betrachtet haben.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 09:49 PM   #773
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Zybura again. What are your sources?
And you know what? I'm tired of it now. All I wrote here comes from new, scientific sources, often Polish ones. It's obvious that you and the other Polish user don't have a clue about modern historiography, Silesia or recent Polish history in the "recovered territories", otherwise you wouldn't doubt what's common knowledge among post-Communist historians.
My sources? Ok, although I wouldn't be so passionate about tracing the 'one and only correct' history of Silesia as yourself, here are the sources I've found, which point at massive Soviet looting of the assets in former German territories, including those, which became part of Poland, and also by the gangs of Polish looters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looting...ng_of_industry
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szaber#Szaber_w_Polsce
http://web.archive.org/web/200503212...letyn4_51.html
http://www.zabytki.pl/sources/straty/wstep.html
http://www.wprost.pl/ar/57660/Dzielo-grabiezy/
http://www.ngopole.pl/2012/09/01/gra...sce-po-1945-r/

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2) after Prussians annexed Lower Silesia in 1742, there was still quite significant Polish population living in and around Wrocław; but that was soon to start changing due to Germanisation process enforced by the Prussian king.
No, there wasn't. At least not a significant one in the city, although there were some linguistic enclaves close by. Read Norman Davies, he tries really hard, but can't find them.
Polish Wiki page re Germanisation (Google translated): http://translate.google.ie/translate....9Al.C4.85zacy

See point 1.3 on Germanisation of Poles in Silesia after its annexation by Prussia in mid 18th c.

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So, a Polish scientist who studied in Wroclaw and Vienna, worked at the universities of Wroclaw and Opole (and had a professorship there), lectured at Leipzig, Düsseldorf and Dresden, and is the curator of an institute, can't be credible because he talks with Germans too often? Oh boy...
Yup, he seems too one-sided.

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That most of the cities were in catastrophic conditions isn't true, according to the mentioned Polish preservationists, and that "any art objects left by escaping Germans were looted by Soviets and probably also organised gangs of looters" was against the Polish-Soviet agreement, as mentioned earlier, and isn't documented, also as mentioned earlier. I gave sources, you and the other user just claimed things... oh no wait, there was a single Wiki link, the source of every informed forum user, lol.
It is documented alright. See the Polish sources given above.

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If you are not satisfied with those cities, you just might give em back to their rightful owners, no?
Only after big booom, i.e. exactly in the state as we acquired them.

But since when Germans had been rightful owners e.g. of Silesia?

Oh, I forgot. Between 1742 and 1945.

And as we speak about rightful owners, Germans would then need to return e.g. Saarland to France, Aachen to Netherlands, and Berlin to Poland, no?

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LOL at precious Polish art. Cities. Whatever. Your national resurrection after WWI only caused countless losses of real artsitic values of important nations. Without your existence, today the world would be brighter. Noone misses Polish "culture".
Your opinions matter to the Polish SSC community so much, that now I'm not sure if we would be able to survive such a blow.

I, for that matter, am devastated...

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Poles and Germans, two traumatised psyches arguing with each other. This won't go well guys. Get the facts straight and temper your emotions, everything else is a recipe for disaster.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 01:21 AM   #775
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Obverse of a postcard sent to Peru from Germany, displaying Stuttgart Town Hall. The reverse includes a Germania stamp, 1900 issue (5 Pf).



I prefer not to talk about the building that replaced it.
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So that is Stuttgart?

The old pic reminds me a bit of Colmar (been to Alsace, but not really to Germany... well, only to Kehl in Baden-Wurttemberg, but that doesn´t really count).

Is it true that Eastern German cities were better reconstructed (or more beautifully or as-it-was-before, if you want) than Western German cities?

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Well, you hardly pass Stuttgart's market square anymore nowadays.

But imagine this place getting reconstructed. It'd instantly become the new heart of the city!
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Old September 6th, 2012, 03:20 AM   #780
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Well, you hardly pass Stuttgart's market square anymore nowadays.
I can understand... but don´t ask me why it is, I don´t dislike 60s and 70s West German architecture. There´s something to it, I find.
Perhaps it´s just that I tend to compare with some Spanish horrors from the same period.

Though of course, given the means and the time, the old square anytime!

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But imagine this place getting reconstructed. It'd instantly become the new heart of the city!
I guess it would. Luckily, Stuttgart keeps some monuments!

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