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Old September 7th, 2012, 11:13 AM   #781
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Is it true that Eastern German cities were better reconstructed (or more beautifully or as-it-was-before, if you want) than Western German cities?
Not really. Western Germany reconstructed much more buildings. But they also demolished much more and replaced them with cheap boxes like in Stuttgart. Eastern Germany was to poor for both. There were a few reconstructions, like the Zwinger or the Semper Opera in Dresden, but these were exceptions. And they demolished quite a few quarters to transform East Berlin into socialist model city, but that was also an exception. Towns destroyed in WW2 were usually rebuilt with Commie blocks, and in towns that survived WW2 without major damages not a single Pfennig was invested. At the end of the GDR many of the old towns were dilapidated, but the fall of the Iron Curtain saved them. Germany invested billions to restore them, and in many cases they look better than preserved towns in the West now.

Just one example... this is how Görlitz looked at the and of the 1980s:

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It was planned to level the old town, and the blow-out holes were already in place. In my signature (Upper Lusatia) you see how the town looks today.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 12:22 PM   #782
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The word ugly doesn't even begin to describe this atrocity

The bones of whomever authorized this construction should be dug up and beaten with a club.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 12:27 PM   #783
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Yeah, I also fail to understand how anyone could have ever thought "you know what, this looks great, let's build it". I mean wtf?! All of this is just so depressing. Who in their right mind would spend a minute on that square? No one. Maybe someday Stuttgart will have the balls to reconstruct parts of the square.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 02:37 PM   #784
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Stuttgart has probably the unsexiest centre of all German cities above 500'000 inhabitants! I don't like it and I won't go there!
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Old September 7th, 2012, 04:11 PM   #785
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It's not that bad, really. There's quite some nice parts in Stuttgart old center.

It's true it did so much wrong, but still, it's not that badass.

Especially the very center around Schillerplatz and Schlossplatz is amongst the nicest of the big destroyed German cities, actually.

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Approaching Schlossplatz in Stuttgart...

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At Schlossplatz
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Well, it's not too different from before WW2... But indeed, Stuttgart should reconstruct significant parts of its old center. After all, the city is friggin' rich and their real estate market is upper class.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 10:27 PM   #787
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Of course the Schlossplatz is nice and there are some pretty corners too in the inner city. Not to forget that Stuttgart has some pleasant residential quarters and a beautiful surrounding.

But the very heart of the city, the Marktplatz, really is the less beautiful of all bigger German cities (>500'000). Maybe Essen or Dortmund can compete on that level.

Besides that it seems to me that Stuttgart is much more built for cars than for people.
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Well, all of the above and a lot more streets are purely pedestrian - but still, much of the city is indeed car-centered.

They should get rid of the huge traffix axis across the old town, either do tunnels or narrow them considerably. City centers are for people, not for freakin' cars.

(I'm in the US right now and realized more than ever how much this should be true for any city around the world... The car-centrism and traffic here is horrible, even on the East coast.)
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Old September 8th, 2012, 01:13 AM   #789
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Does the subject of reconstructing the old market square and city hall ever even get discussed in that city?

Or is that something that only people like us care about?

Also... whats going on with the railroad station? I know that part of it has already been torn down but that the demolition was suspended due to public protest. I haven't been able to find any updates on that situation however.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 03:25 AM   #790
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Old September 8th, 2012, 04:16 AM   #791
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At least the Börse is still there...surrounded by commieblocks.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 04:35 AM   #792
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Its not particularly nice, but it could be much worse. The current state is easily upgraded with interesting and nice modern architecture, a central spring, some trees or even reconstructions. This can be done one by one over years or decades.

Just imagine they built commieblocks or brutalist public building there. Much harder to change.
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What's there now looks plenty brutal to me

I don't see how commie blocks would look much worse.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 11:42 AM   #794
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What's there now looks plenty brutal to me

I don't see how commie blocks would look much worse.
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These are just normal looking buildings. Nothing too monstrous really.
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That's true but I think that makes it even harder to change something about it. Just the same as with parts of Nuremberg or Munich, where the rebuilding process wasn't too brutal, but not particularily nice either. Most of these buildings are heritage protected.
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That square has been destroyed. There's nothing of its original flair in the new version. This is brutalism. Dull, useless buildings are as bad as commie blocks.
I even think sometimes post war reconstruction was better in the DDR rather than in the BRD. At least it was less anonymous. The job they did in Kassel, for istance, looks terribly bad too me.

Nevertheless, I have seen some nice reconstructions, apart from the famos ones in Dresden, for example in Hildesheim, where they rebuilt the biggest Fachwerkhaus of Germany. The place looks lovely again now. Is something like this hard to imagine elsewhere? The point is not focusing on the bulding itself, the point is restoring the original atmosphere of these beuatiful squares.
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That square has been destroyed. There's nothing of its original flair in the new version. This is brutalism. Dull, useless buildings are as bad as commie blocks.
I even think sometimes post war reconstruction was better in the DDR rather than in the BRD. At least it was less anonymous. The job they did in Kassel, for istance, looks terribly bad too me.

Nevertheless, I have seen some nice reconstructions, apart from the famos ones in Dresden, for example in Hildesheim, where they rebuilt the biggest Fachwerkhaus of Germany. The place looks lovely again now. Is something like this hard to imagine elsewhere? The point is not focusing on the bulding itself, the point is restoring the original atmosphere of these beuatiful squares.

Hildesheim and Dresden should be an example for Kassel and Stuttgart (and many other cities like Cologne or Bielefeld) to show what demolition and reconstruction can do for a city.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 03:14 AM   #799
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Very rare set of pics of Berlin:

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Blm_TG 642 by Blekinge museum, on Flickr

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Beautiful set. Never seen them before.
I wonder if we'll ever see the cathedral like that again in our lifetimes.... How imposing the original Lehrter train station was. Quite sad that it's gone and replaced by a glass monster...
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