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Old March 14th, 2013, 11:47 PM   #1441
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 12:00 AM   #1442
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My friend's father took this picture in 1938 or 1939 probably in Germany, but he doesn't know the name of the city. Any ideas?



Other pictures were taken in Barth, Berlin, Dresden, Kolberg/Kołobrzeg and Stettin/Szczecin.
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 12:10 AM   #1443
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It could be Saxony or Thuringia.
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 12:59 AM   #1444
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I would agree. Southern parts of Saxony-Anhalt are also possible. I'm quite sure I've seen this church before but there are many similar looking churches with this structure. For exampel the St. Annen Kirche in Annaberg Buchholz
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 03:04 AM   #1445
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It's Bad Schandau!



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Old March 23rd, 2013, 12:55 AM   #1446
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Old March 24th, 2013, 04:10 PM   #1447
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That reminds me of this project, which was to be built near the Gendarmenmarkt:



This was a prewar project by architect Ludwig Hilberseimer, professor at the Bauhaus school at Dessau.
It is almost as ugly as Corbusier's design for Paris.
Some modernist architects' ego was too damn big
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Old March 24th, 2013, 08:22 PM   #1448
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God, seeing Berlin then and today hurts...
What hurts most: The city wasn't even damaged that much. They purposely ruined much of what was left after WWII.
Depending on what you mean by "that much" the city center and key areas that are the focus of all attention here and as tourist, art, goverment, and commercial value, were nearly decimated. Little, other than residential areas in the far southwest and northwest, was left unscathed and irreparable.
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Old March 25th, 2013, 01:06 PM   #1449
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^ Indeed.

But some structures could have been easily saved, like the Berlin City Palace or several churches, but were demolished by GDR authorities on purpose...


In the West, there often was a different problem: While many residential and commercial buildings survived with some scars, they were ripped off most of their ornamentation. Little of all the lost stucco and beautiful details, cupolas etc. were reconstructed until today...
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Old March 26th, 2013, 02:38 AM   #1450
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In the West, there often was a different problem: While many residential and commercial buildings survived with some scars, they were ripped off most of their ornamentation. Little of all the lost stucco and beautiful details, cupolas etc. were reconstructed until today...
Why would they do that?
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Old March 26th, 2013, 09:49 AM   #1451
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Why would they do that?

It was an austerity time. They were looking to cut down the price of reconstructions of the damaged buildings. And people just wanted a solid roof above their heads. It wasn't a modernist conspiracy.



Ask them why they didn't refused to move into a building without properly reconstructed stucco ornaments on the facade.
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Old March 26th, 2013, 12:26 PM   #1452
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^ True to some degree, but it definitely isn't the whole truth.

De-ornamentation was still done throughout the 70s and early 80s even, when there where enough residentials for everyone. Huge part of it was ideology.

Other cities and even East Berlin weren't ripped off their ornamentation, or really rarely.

Base for this movement was the book of Adolf Loos, "Ornamentation and Crime" (Ornament und Verbrechen). Well, what they did to all the buildings basically was a crime.

Again: It mainly happened in West-Berlin exclusively. You won't see many stucco-freed facades in Frankfurt, Hamburg, Munich, East Berlin or elsewhere, where there were really heavy (or even heavier) destructions.
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Old March 26th, 2013, 07:58 PM   #1453
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which means that the ornamentations could be re-applied now or later if/when the owners want to reestablish the original look or the more classic appeal. Adding to a building's facade is actually pretty easy; the interiors can remain as they are, but the street appearances can be fixed.
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Indeed. But sometimes it's not that easy, because there's no detailed pictures of some buildings, so you'll struggle to re-establish the original look. But then there's room for some creativity, too.

There's quite a lot of nice examples for creative ornamentation reconstruction in Berlin.
I might show some examples of these elsewhere.
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Old March 27th, 2013, 09:58 PM   #1455
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East Berlin Then & now: Mollendorfer Strasse

Erbse: also in East Berlin all decorations were removed as shown in this Then & Now comparison of the Eastern end of the famous FrankfurterAllee:

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Old April 5th, 2013, 06:01 AM   #1456
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Schloss Finckenstein East Prussia. Baroque palace built in the early 18th century, destroyed by the Red Army in 1945.




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Old April 10th, 2013, 09:28 AM   #1457
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Berlin

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Spittelmarkt por glen.h, en Flickr

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Berliner Dom por glen.h, en Flickr

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Filmstadt Berlin 1920 por glen.h, en Flickr

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Zeppelin Over The Brandenburg Gate por glen.h, en Flickr

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Hardenbergstrasse and Gedachtniskirche, late 1920s por glen.h, en Flickr

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Goldelse Stands Over The Siegesallee por glen.h, en Flickr

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Old April 10th, 2013, 01:59 PM   #1458
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No offense to people from Berlin but my god it is butt ugly compared to what it used to be.
yes, but other german big cities share the same faith, mostly.
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yes, but other german big cities share the same faith, mostly.

Compared to it's former appearance, before 1942, when it was one of the most beautiful cities on earth, Berlin's evolution has unfortunately left much of its beauty to history and replaced it with efficiency and architectural egos.

That said, the more fair comparative would be to other top cities of the world in the current time. In that comparative, Berlin shines brightly. The efforts to rebuilt and refurbish some of the classic, historic buildings and sections is notable. And the modernist/international style takeover of much of the city has been tempered by scale and site-appropriateness more so than other cities of the world. I think the city looks good, not great, but in 5-10 years if the building plans continue to be on track, we'll see a near-great city once again.
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I really hope this castle will be rebuilt in the future. It is of great historic importance and was formerly called Versailles of East Prussia.
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