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Old April 11th, 2013, 06:49 AM   #1461
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Old April 11th, 2013, 07:19 PM   #1462
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The good news is that no one had the interest or money to do anything to the property over the past 65 years. Had it been located in West Germany, for example, it may have had a glass dome constructed over the top of it and marketed as a museum piece to reflect the misery of war. That the ruins haven't been ruined gives hope it may, one day, be resurrected.
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Old April 11th, 2013, 11:26 PM   #1463
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The castle exteriors and interiors.

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1 Eingangshalle, 2 Treppenhaus, 3 Chinesischer Saal, 4 Geweih-Zimmer, 5 Blaues Herrenzimmer, 6 Schmelzenstube, 7 Blauer Salon, 8 Gelber Salon, 9 Rotes Eckkabinett, 10 Mopkenstube, 11 Nebentreppe im Nordflügel.

1 Eingangshalle

2 Treppenhaus

3 Chinesischer Saal

4 Geweih-Zimmer

5 Blaues Herrenzimmer

6 Schmelzenstube

7 Blauer Salon

8 Gelber Salon



12 Brauner Saal, 13 Napoleon-Vorstube, 14 Persische Vorstube, 15 Napoleon-Stube, 16 Nördliches Eckkabinett, 17 Persische Gesandten-Stube, 18 Persisches Kabinett, 19 Alte Bibliothek, 20 Neue Bibliothek, 21 Leutnantsstube, 22 Alte Komtessenstube, 23 Neue Komtessenstube, 24 Lederstube

12 Brauner Saal

13 Napoleon-Vorstube

14 Persische Vorstube

15 Napoleon-Stube


16 Napoleon-Kabinett, Nördliches Eckkabinett

17 Persische Gesandten-Stube

19 Alte Bibliothek

21 Leutnantsstube
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Old April 12th, 2013, 12:34 AM   #1464
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“In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.”

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Old April 12th, 2013, 02:02 AM   #1465
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It's always so sad to see such beautiful buildings destroyed due only to the egos and stupidity of some men...
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Old April 12th, 2013, 02:59 AM   #1466
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A masterpiece. A glimpse of a vanished world.

What a terrible century we have just lived through.

The end of Christian civilization, followed by war and chaos and nihilism.
Yes, and didn't have to happen.

I'd adjust the order of your last point thusly: War, chaos, and nihilism followed by the end of Christian civilization.
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Old April 12th, 2013, 08:22 AM   #1467
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Old April 12th, 2013, 08:27 AM   #1468
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A masterpiece. A glimpse of a vanished world.

What a terrible century we have just lived through.

The end of Christian civilization, followed by war and chaos and nihilism.
I rather have our 'nihilism' than wars of succesion, wars of independence, Napoleonic wars, wars over Silesia, northern wars, 30 years' war and the other shit that plagued pre 20th century Europe, even though the architecture was beautiful.
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Old April 12th, 2013, 06:24 PM   #1469
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We sure didn't need the conflicts, but had nihilism been more in play, we'd surely not have had the architecture and science the 19th and 20th centuries delivered either. We don't need to through the baby out with the bathwater and live empty lives in order to achieve peaceful greatness...just refuse to vote for the jerks who seem to win elections and be willing to throw the jerks out who steal power.
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Old April 12th, 2013, 06:59 PM   #1470
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Wow!!! Berlin really was a great looking city.
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Old April 13th, 2013, 04:12 PM   #1471
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A masterpiece. A glimpse of a vanished world.

What a terrible century we have just lived through.

The end of Christian civilization, followed by war and chaos and nihilism.
I think it comes from our unwillingness to protect our culture and aesthetic traditions. As long as we have our circus and bread we will do nothing.
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Old April 13th, 2013, 05:54 PM   #1472
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The good news is that no one had the interest or money to do anything to the property over the past 65 years. Had it been located in West Germany, for example, it may have had a glass dome constructed over the top of it and marketed as a museum piece to reflect the misery of war. That the ruins haven't been ruined gives hope it may, one day, be resurrected.
You're wrong here. There's very few examples of such castle "abominations" in Germany. Such as Saarbrücken Castle (actually that's the only one I'm aware of). It doesn't even look that bad at all:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sc...ecken,_HDR.jpg


Actually, most castles in West Germany were faithfully and fantastically reconstructed like Bruchsal Castle:


http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...pa%C5%82ac.jpg


http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...rmorsaal_7.jpg

Würzburg Residence:


http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...r_Residenz.JPG


http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi..._Wuerzburg.jpg


http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...3%BCrzburg.JPG


http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...,_Residenz.jpg

or Munich Residence.


http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...denz-bjs-1.jpg


http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...C3%BCnchen.jpg


http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...n-Residenz.jpg


http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...nce_munich.jpg



I think, West Germany did an outstanding job on reconstructing its most important castles and churches. Not so much for patrician houses and other civilian buildings sadly...

GDR couldn't effort such reconstructions... Too bad. Otherwise the Berlin City Palace would be still standing e.g. (if it'd have been in West Germany, like Charlottenburg Palace).
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Old April 13th, 2013, 09:34 PM   #1473
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The castle exteriors and interiors.
Thank you for posting these pictures. Both plans will be useful to me (:
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Old April 14th, 2013, 02:56 AM   #1474
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By bombing Germany to shit the Allied clearly showed that they´re no better than the nazis.
Really?

So Americans/British = Nazis.
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Old April 14th, 2013, 05:02 AM   #1475
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^ No, because "Nazi" still refers to a specific political ideology the Allies didn't really carry.

But still, it's not really morally superior to bomb the shit out of a country and its defenseless people (as happened in Dresden and other cities), just for this country starting and carrying out a war. Oddly enough, even in Germany you're often referred to as a "Nazi" when stating such simple truths.

Sadly, the US keeps doing stuff like this.


Anyway, this is not a place for political discussion as stated several times before, so please refrain from it. This is a photo thread! Thanks.
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Old April 14th, 2013, 05:24 AM   #1476
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I am sure you will find a few other posters who share your interesting views of Americans and of the Nazis.

A German victory would have turned Europe into a concentration camp. There are people who would have preferred a German victory in 1945 and there are those who despise Americans - but I avoid them.

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Never mind the nonsense. I was responding to another poster, as you know.

I will ignore your posts from now on - which is a shame, because I usually enjoy them - and leave the thread. Between you and Mr. Bricks I do not like where the direction of the 'discussion' is going...
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A German victory would have turned Europe into a concentration camp. There are people who would have preferred a German victory in 1945 and there are those who despise Americans - but I avoid them.

I will ignore your posts from now on - which is a shame, because I usually enjoy them - and leave the thread. Between you and Mr. Bricks I do not like where the direction of the 'discussion' is going...
Taking a universal moral stance about the sins of war, regardless of winners or losers, does not lead to the conclusion that one would have preferred a different outcome to WWII. Such a leap is a bit unfair and superfluous, it seems to me, especially on this forum. Is discussion and opinion sharing not a good thing? To believe otherwise and shun free, critical thinking is the harsh opposite of the ideals that prevailed because of the victory over fascism. Hope you reconsider; your inputs and ideas are valued.
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Old April 14th, 2013, 11:39 AM   #1478
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The good news is that no one had the interest or money to do anything to the property over the past 65 years. Had it been located in West Germany, for example, it may have had a glass dome constructed over the top of it and marketed as a museum piece to reflect the misery of war. That the ruins haven't been ruined gives hope it may, one day, be resurrected.
By whom? There are literally thousands(!) of castles and manors in similar conditions in former Eastern Germany. Objects like this usually get privatized since neither the communities nor the state can't afford to reconstruct them, and private investors surely can find better preserved ruins than this one.
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Old April 14th, 2013, 10:05 PM   #1479
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Germany had 100 cities with > 100.000 pop in 1940.
In the period 1925-1940 modern suburbs and buildings were built all over predominantly Gründerzeit looking urban Germany.

The war ravaged most large cities with some exceptions: München, Leipzig, Halle, Wiesbaden, Lübeck and Regensburg along with Göttingen, Erfurt, Görlitz, Heidelberg, Fürth, Erlangen came through with less than 33% destruction: all others not!................................................
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I agree. Gottingen was only hit at the railway station as I am told, and Gorlitz appears 100% authentic to me.

PS:I would like to add something that many people don't know. The neustadt in Dresden (half the city east of the river Elbe) saw little destruction, and looks today as it was never hit by a bomb. Exeption is the first blocks in the "Hauptstrasse", wich of course should be rebuildt in original apperance IMO. BTW: I always recommend people who are interested in pre-war german arcitecture to visit Stralsund and Schwerin. Take the train from Hamburg or Berlin!
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Görlitz indeed is one of the best kept gems in Central Europe. Should become UNESCO world heritage sooner or later.
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