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Old April 19th, 2013, 09:51 AM   #1501
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Even if that is so do you really think Hitler was a reliable person you could trust and should be negotiated with? I believe he negotiated a truce with the Soviet union as well and what did that lead to. I know this is completely OT but I just had to comment.
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Old April 19th, 2013, 10:03 AM   #1502
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May all allies responsible for these senseless and ruthless
holocausts rot in hell together with the nazis
responsible for there!
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Old April 19th, 2013, 10:25 AM   #1503
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Even if that is so do you really think Hitler was a reliable person you could trust and should be negotiated with? I believe he negotiated a truce with the Soviet union as well and what did that lead to. I know this is completely OT but I just had to comment.
Good point, but we do know that his breech of commitment on Czechoslovakia ended up in occupation. In hind sight, as well as foresight, occupation is far preferable to mass murders, bombings, complete destruction of infrastructures and cultures. On balance, I'd have taken the chance on seeing what happened rather than do what Great Britain did in declaring war. Hitler wouldn't have lived forever, but we will forever live with the mess with which the entire entire group of belligerent nations left us.
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Old April 19th, 2013, 10:37 AM   #1504
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There's a pile of evidence that suggests Hitler tried to negotiate a peace in 1940 but Churchill would have no part of it, rather lead Britain on with a 'win at all costs' strategy.
You probably mean a peace treaty with only England. But the Germans would have stayed put in Poland and continued to oppress and wipe out Polish culture. Then move, as they did into Ukraine and Russia and do the same.
Hitler had a tough time invading England so he probably thought, "Screw it, Let's be friends."
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Old April 19th, 2013, 01:15 PM   #1505
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Stop the war discussions finally!
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Old April 19th, 2013, 01:15 PM   #1506
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Marvellous Victoriahaus in Dresden, a true gem of historicism:


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Old April 19th, 2013, 05:29 PM   #1507
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I move that we get this back on track. I think everyone agrees,
Hitler: Bad.
Area Bombing: bad.
Gründerzeit Architecture: sexy!

Dresden, König-Johann-Straße
Nr. 19, NW corner at the Intersection with Moritz-Straße:




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Old April 19th, 2013, 07:52 PM   #1508
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Old April 19th, 2013, 08:03 PM   #1509
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There's a pile of evidence that suggests Hitler tried to negotiate a peace in 1940 but Churchill would have no part of it, rather lead Britain on with a 'win at all costs' strategy.
That is in fact true. The files from these overtures are still kept "Top Secret" in Britain.
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Old April 19th, 2013, 08:11 PM   #1510
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That is in fact true. The files from these overtures are still kept "Top Secret" in Britain.
Pfft. This is well known. Who knows exactly what was going through Hitler's mind, but the idea that he was only looking for a temporary peace is a pretty safe bet.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 03:32 PM   #1511
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I don´t think this has been posted here previously:

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Old April 24th, 2013, 05:42 AM   #1512
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If only Germany had surendered before 1945, millions of Germans would have survived as also hundred of thousands of buildings and houses.......
Indeed.

And now Magdeburg, Chemnitz, Pforzheim, and Dessau in particular are arguably the ugliest cities in Europe and will, in all certainty, remain such forevermore.

Very sad.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 06:55 AM   #1513
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MHJO, yes that is true and did cost aprox 100.000 German civilian lives or so
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Indeed.

And now Magdeburg, Chemnitz, Pforzheim, and Dessau in particular are arguably the ugliest cities in Europe and will, in all certainty, remain such forevermore.

Very sad.
Again, they tried to surrender earlier, but Great Britain did not want a negotiated peace. Complete destruction and submission was the only end Churchill sought.
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Again, they tried to surrender earlier, but Great Britain did not want a negotiated peace. Complete destruction and submission was the only end Churchill sought.
Pics or it didn't happen
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Old April 26th, 2013, 06:05 PM   #1515
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Old April 26th, 2013, 06:35 PM   #1516
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Can't argue with that image of horror.

Note not a single person in the photo. Based on the shadows, this may have been taken in March or April 1945, when the rubble was generally still too hot to access by people.
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Old April 26th, 2013, 08:21 PM   #1517
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Danzig - Rechtstadt and Vorstadt, as seen from the air

All you see here are architectural masterpieces from
1300-: Gothic churches and in the lower left corner, the Krantor (Medieval Crane)
1400-: Completed Gothic churches (Johanneskirche, Nicolauskirche)
1500-: Golden Age Gothic church (Marienkirche, Trinitatiskirche, Peter und Pauluskirche) and early Italian renaissance (Main city town hall), Early dutch mannerism (Englisches Haus)
1600-: Golden Age Italian renaissance, dutch mannerism (Artus court, Green gate, Highlander gate), Rococo (Uphagen house) and Early baroque (Royal chapel)
1700-: Baroque and late dutch mannerism
1800-: Late prussian historicism (Danziger Hof, Stadsgraben)


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Old April 26th, 2013, 11:48 PM   #1518
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Stop the war discussions finally!
sadly 99% of the building we see on blackwhite photos, we see only the outside. but we have no clue how a builindg looks from inside I guess teh Victoria Restaurnt looked amazingly inside!
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Old April 27th, 2013, 12:32 PM   #1519
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Which city is this film shot??
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Old April 27th, 2013, 01:51 PM   #1520
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Which city is this film shot??
Nürnberg. In english language Nuremberg. But not all, some scenes are from ther other german cites and countryside.
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