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Old August 23rd, 2013, 04:39 PM   #1541
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Old August 23rd, 2013, 04:53 PM   #1542
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Well, the monument was never destroyed. It located in the Tiergarten in Berlin.

More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bismarck_Memorial

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Thanks for the correction and information. It pays to wander the Tiegarten!
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Old August 23rd, 2013, 04:57 PM   #1543
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Officially The Free City of Gdańsk/Danzig was under League of Nations protection and it was represented abroad by Poland's ambassadors. Poland was also given full rights to develop and maintain transportation, communication, and port facilities in the city. It was not an independent state.
All true, except against the will of the people, which should have meant something. The status of the city and environs were commonly known as a form of imperialistic slavery.
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Old August 23rd, 2013, 05:06 PM   #1544
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Old August 23rd, 2013, 05:12 PM   #1545
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Since a "german" government did not existed, I would say nothing. Besides it is senseless to compare these actions.
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Old August 23rd, 2013, 05:34 PM   #1546
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Excellent images of Potsdam's beauty. The grandeur of the city was truly majestic.

The image above labeled as Neues Palais commons shows the buildings that were not the royal residences, rather the kitchens, staff, and military housing. Although these buildings look like a palace, the royal residence was on the opposite side of the commons area, about 75 yards away. The complex was completely coordinated in scale and design. One of the best.
WAS? These splendid buildings thankfully still exist, I saw them this past May.
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I would like to remind to everyone that right before IInd World War Gdańsk (Danzig) had a status of a "free city" (formally not belonged to the German Reich).
That's correct, but in the end of 19th century it did belong to German Reich (up to 10th Jan 1920).

Althought, from architectural point of view, it's rather Dutch than German city
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Old August 23rd, 2013, 10:55 PM   #1548
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That's correct, but in the end of 19th century it did belong to German Reich (up to 10th Jan 1920).

Althought, from architectural point of view, it's rather Dutch than German city
Gdansk's centre maybe, but there must've been plenty of German heritage (espeically Gründerzeit) which hasn't been rebuilt?
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Old August 24th, 2013, 12:14 AM   #1549
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Old August 24th, 2013, 01:52 AM   #1550
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WAS? These splendid buildings thankfully still exist, I saw them this past May.
Yes, "was" is the proper term. "The royal residence was..." because it hasn't been a royal residence since 1918. Of course the building exists, but in the context of my post, the past tense was correct.
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That's correct, but in the end of 19th century it did belong to German Reich (up to 10th Jan 1920).

Althought, from architectural point of view, it's rather Dutch than German city
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Gdansk's centre maybe, but there must've been plenty of German heritage (espeically Gründerzeit) which hasn't been rebuilt?

Mruczek must have meant Deutsch rather than Dutch, a mistake often made in the USA as well. Surely, the architecture of pre WWII Danzig was overwhelmingly German/Prussian which of course influenced, and was influenced by, Dutch artisans but on a building by building basis. It's architecture was far more northern Baltic region style than the low countries, as I think everyone recognizes.
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That's correct, but in the end of 19th century it did belong to German Reich (up to 10th Jan 1920).
Without doubt the city was under Prussian (later, German) rule between 9/06/1815 and 10/01/1920.

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Althought, from architectural point of view, it's rather Dutch than German city
From architectural point of view, the historic centre of Gdansk is a strange, but charming mix of faithful reconstructions (~20%) and historicist buildings with elements of Baroque, Italian Renaissance, Dutch Mannerism, Socialist realism, etc. designed by Polish architects after the war (remaining ~80%).





And surroundings, well see below.

A little bit of this...


and this...


also...


+ some commieblocks...


and many, many not yet developed areas.
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Mruczek must have meant Deutsch rather than Dutch, a mistake often made in the USA as well.
No, Dutch. Gdańsk and its outskirts, including lowlands of Żuławy are commonly known as "Small Holland"; for a reason.

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Surely, the architecture of pre WWII Danzig was overwhelmingly German/Prussian which of course influenced, and was influenced by, Dutch artisans but on a building by building basis.
As I said earlier: it is hard to establish, what exactly "German" or "Prussian" architecture means - especially you seem to have problems with defining that. Basically, FCD's architecture of 1920-39 is mostly brick modernism typical for North Germany and the Netherlands, but completely absent in Thuringia, Bavaria or Western Germany.

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Surely, the architecture of pre WWII Danzig was overwhelmingly German/Prussian which of course influenced, and was influenced by, Dutch artisans but on a building by building basis. It's architecture was far more northern Baltic region style than the low countries, as I think everyone recognizes.
I dare to say that in 1920-39 there never was something like "Northern Baltic Region Style", especially in the cities. And this opinion is based on visiting Lubeck, Rostock, Szczecin, Gdańsk, Kalinigrad (Konigsberg), Riga, Tallinn, Petersburg, Stockholm and Kopenhagen. Scandinavian modernism differs from Baltic (i.e. 3 small Baltic republics), Baltic differs from Soviet, Soviet differs from Brick style of Northern Germany and Netherlands and this Brick modernism differs from modernism created in Middle Germany, i.e. Bauhaus from Thuringia.
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I dare to say that in 1920-39 there never was something like "Northern Baltic Region Style", especially in the cities. And this opinion is based on visiting Lubeck, Rostock, Szczecin, Gdańsk, Kalinigrad (Konigsberg), Riga, Tallinn, Petersburg, Stockholm and Kopenhagen. Scandinavian modernism differs from Baltic (i.e. 3 small Baltic republics), Baltic differs from Soviet, Soviet differs from Brick style of Northern Germany and Netherlands and this Brick modernism differs from modernism created in Middle Germany, i.e. Bauhaus from Thuringia.
I wouldn't be so sure. Scandinavian modernism (interwar period) made a strong influence on Baltic modernism. For instance, Finland's modernism influenced particularly Estonian architecture as well as lithuanian (some project in Kaunas were prepared according to Finns proposed projects). Danish and finnish architecture achievments, tradition, style et cetera were very popular.
Riga, imho, had less influence. Like Vilnius. On the other hand, Nordic modernism - not the same like Baltic one, although have many things in common.
Actually, functionalism architecture was very common in Northern Europe, only differed in some matters.
I agree with You that there were no Norther Baltic style. All sea-cities like Gdansk or Riga look very different and that is obvious.
Scandinavian/Nordic style in Baltic countries became important after WWII (i.e link to postwar arch. in N&B). Dunno why, but only can guess - similar climate? Similar taste?
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No, Dutch. Gdańsk and its outskirts, including lowlands of Żuławy are commonly known as "Small Holland"; for a reason.


Is it really possible to disinguish between Dutch and North German architecture when it comes to, say renaissance or baroque?
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I wouldn't be so sure. Scandinavian modernism (interwar period) made a strong influence on Baltic modernism. For instance, Finland's modernism influenced particularly Estonian architecture as well as lithuanian (some project in Kaunas were prepared according to Finns proposed projects). Danish and finnish architecture achievments, tradition, style et cetera were very popular.
Riga, imho, had less influence. Like Vilnius. On the other hand, Nordic modernism - not the same like Baltic one, although have many things in common.
Actually, functionalism architecture was very common in Northern Europe, only differed in some matters.
I agree with You that there were no Norther Baltic style. All sea-cities like Gdansk or Riga look very different and that is obvious.
Scandinavian/Nordic style in Baltic countries became important after WWII (i.e link to postwar arch. in N&B). Dunno why, but only can guess - similar climate? Similar taste?
My fault, you're right. There was Scandinavian inspiration in Baltic countries.

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Is it really possible to disinguish between Dutch and North German architecture when it comes to, say renaissance or baroque?
Hard to say. Probably the expression "Dutch mannerism" comes from the fact, that it originated in the Netherlands and was exported elsewhere; it doesn't necessarily mean that it was made by Dutch and for Dutch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Mannerism

At least in Poland there is an expression in history of art: "Dutch Mannerism":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manneri...ture_in_Poland
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