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Old August 30th, 2013, 03:19 PM   #1581
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Seems that you can't recognise early modernism (I'll help you: it's this 2nd from the left) and you can't recognise mediocre 19th century rent houses (most of the others in the centre and right side of the picture).

Besides, there is 14 buildings on this picture, not 6 or 7. Perhaps you skipped some of them
What I recognize is that youi're making things up agian, but I've tried to help you before to no avail.
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Old September 8th, 2013, 08:05 PM   #1582
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German cities

The top 30 larges German cities were (1939):

Berlin (1) 4320 Dortmund (11) 540 Magdeburg (21) 330
Wien (2) 1930 Düsseldorf (12) 535 Gelsenkirchen (22) 317
Hamburg (3) 1700 Hannover (13) 465 Bochum (23) 305
München (4) 815 Stuttgart (14) 455 Mannheim (24) 280
Köln (5) 770 Duisburg (15) 435 Stettin (25) 275

Leipzig (6) 700 Nürnberg (16) 420 Kiel (26) 265
Essen (7) 665 Wuppertal (17) 400 Halle (27) 220
Dresden (8) 630 Königsberg (18) 375 Kassel (28) 215
Breslau (9) 630 Bremen (19) 355 Graz (29) 210
Frankfurt (10) 550 Chemnitz (20) 335 Braunschweig (30) 200
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Old September 8th, 2013, 11:06 PM   #1583
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The top 30 larges German cities were (1939):

Berlin (1) 4320 Dortmund (11) 540 Magdeburg (21) 330
Wien (2) 1930 Düsseldorf (12) 535 Gelsenkirchen (22) 317
Hamburg (3) 1700 Hannover (13) 465 Bochum (23) 305
München (4) 815 Stuttgart (14) 455 Mannheim (24) 280
Köln (5) 770 Duisburg (15) 435 Stettin (25) 275

Leipzig (6) 700 Nürnberg (16) 420 Kiel (26) 265
Essen (7) 665 Wuppertal (17) 400 Halle (27) 220
Dresden (8) 630 Königsberg (18) 375 Kassel (28) 215
Breslau (9) 630 Bremen (19) 355 Graz (29) 210
Frankfurt (10) 550 Chemnitz (20) 335 Braunschweig (30) 200

Let us see if pictures of these cities can be made a telling story!!

Next after these 30 cities, come a dozen between 200.000 and 150.000 inhabitants: Posen, Strassbourg, Oberhausen, Lübeck, Wiesbaden, Augsburg, Krefeld, Aachen, Karsruhe, Mainz, Danzig and Erfurt.

Potsdam, Freiburg, Metz, Saarbrücken, Linz, Darmstadt, Münster, Würzburg, Regensburg and Plauen were again slightly smaller.....
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Old September 9th, 2013, 12:08 AM   #1584
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The top 30 larges German cities were (1939):

Berlin (1) 4320 Dortmund (11) 540 Magdeburg (21) 330
Wien (2) 1930 Düsseldorf (12) 535 Gelsenkirchen (22) 317
Hamburg (3) 1700 Hannover (13) 465 Bochum (23) 305
München (4) 815 Stuttgart (14) 455 Mannheim (24) 280
Köln (5) 770 Duisburg (15) 435 Stettin (25) 275

Leipzig (6) 700 Nürnberg (16) 420 Kiel (26) 265
Essen (7) 665 Wuppertal (17) 400 Halle (27) 220
Dresden (8) 630 Königsberg (18) 375 Kassel (28) 215
Breslau (9) 630 Bremen (19) 355 Graz (29) 210
Frankfurt (10) 550 Chemnitz (20) 335 Braunschweig (30) 200

Let us see if pictures of these cities can be made a telling story!!

Next after these 30 cities, come a dozen between 200.000 and 150.000 inhabitants: Posen, Strassbourg, Oberhausen, Lübeck, Wiesbaden, Augsburg, Krefeld, Aachen, Karsruhe, Mainz, Danzig and Erfurt.
If your data come from census of May 17th, 1939, I doubt one will find Posen, Strassbourg and Danzig there
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Old September 10th, 2013, 12:17 AM   #1585
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The top 30 larges German cities were (1939):

Berlin (1) 4320 Dortmund (11) 540 Magdeburg (21) 330
Wien (2) 1930 Düsseldorf (12) 535 Gelsenkirchen (22) 317
Hamburg (3) 1700 Hannover (13) 465 Bochum (23) 305
München (4) 815 Stuttgart (14) 455 Mannheim (24) 280
Köln (5) 770 Duisburg (15) 435 Stettin (25) 275

Leipzig (6) 700 Nürnberg (16) 420 Kiel (26) 265
Essen (7) 665 Wuppertal (17) 400 Halle (27) 220
Dresden (8) 630 Königsberg (18) 375 Kassel (28) 215
Breslau (9) 630 Bremen (19) 355 Graz (29) 210
Frankfurt (10) 550 Chemnitz (20) 335 Braunschweig (30) 200

Let us see if pictures of these cities can be made a telling story!!

Next after these 30 cities, come a dozen between 200.000 and 150.000 inhabitants: Posen, Strassbourg, Oberhausen, Lübeck, Wiesbaden, Augsburg, Krefeld, Aachen, Karsruhe, Mainz, Danzig and Erfurt.

Potsdam, Freiburg, Metz, Saarbrücken, Linz, Darmstadt, Münster, Würzburg, Regensburg and Plauen were again slightly smaller.....
Top 5 largest Nazi German cities in 1939 were:

Berlin (1) 4.320.000
Wien (2) 1.930.000
Hamburg (3) 1.700.000
Warschau (4) 1.289.000
Prag (5) 1.000.000

Top 5 largest Nazi German cities in 1940 were:

Paris (1) 5.700.000
Berlin (2) 4.320.000
Wien (3) 1.930.000
Hamburg (4) 1.700.000
Warschau (5) 1.289.000

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Old September 10th, 2013, 09:36 AM   #1586
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Top 5 largest Nazi German cities in 1939 were:

Berlin (1) 4.320.000
Wien (2) 1.930.000
Hamburg (3) 1.700.000
Warschau (4) 1.289.000
Prag (5) 1.000.000

Top 5 largest Nazi German cities in 1940 were:

Paris (1) 5.700.000
Berlin (2) 4.320.000
Wien (3) 1.930.000
Hamburg (4) 1.700.000
Warschau (5) 1.289.000
That's the reason why this thread is restricted to before WWII
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Old October 14th, 2013, 04:08 PM   #1587
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Heavy historicist (Gründerzeit) show-off: Café Friedrichshof, Berlin!

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Old October 14th, 2013, 05:41 PM   #1588
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Old October 14th, 2013, 07:38 PM   #1589
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It looks like one giant wedding cake! XD Not everything Gründerzeit produced had class...
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Old October 14th, 2013, 08:11 PM   #1590
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Agreed, it was definitely too much of everything which made the building look kinda out of proportions.
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Old October 14th, 2013, 08:31 PM   #1591
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Indeed, it's too much. But some of these buildings def. wouldn't hurt today's Berlin.
Still better than 95% of the shit modernists came up with in the past 90 years.


I think it suffered heavily in WW2 and was torn after '45, but I can't be more precise.
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Old October 14th, 2013, 09:28 PM   #1592
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It is so wildly over the top that it is kind of fun; in a way a bit like some of the Edwardian or late Victorian mansions in New York City. I guess they felt that nothing impresses like excess!
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Old October 15th, 2013, 12:30 AM   #1593
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It was awesome! Would be lovely to see such an extremely elaborate building today.
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Old October 16th, 2013, 03:53 PM   #1594
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I think Café Friedrichshof looks fantastic. If it were still in place today, I suspect it would be one of the most photographed buildings in Berlin. Yes, it's got everything possible on it, but that's what makes it superb. The architect and designer made every square inch count and meticulously made it work. The detail reflects a stunning amount of insight and coordination. One could spend hours studying and gazing upon each element.

This monument to the Grunderzeit period occupied a corner of the area that is now Checkpoint Charlie, a mass of ugliness that is slowly getting some valuable buildings once again.
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Old October 16th, 2013, 05:01 PM   #1595
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Agree, it's a masterpiece, I love it. I'm not sure if I can see correctly the year of built. Is it 1892?
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While I'm usually strongly opposed to "simplifying" building facades, I think it would be an improvement in the case of the Café Friedrichshof. It's just to busy. But I do agree with erbse, it still better than half the crap that has been put up in Berlin and across Germany lately. I'll take the Café Friedrichshof over another tacky glass and steel box any day!
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Old October 16th, 2013, 08:25 PM   #1597
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I don't see a reason to critize the building. Belle Epoque had such over rich facades. Like Baroque ended with the Rokkoko the Belle Epoque ended with such sugar bakery structures. The building is well done in its proportions. There is no terrible mix of different styles, one can see on other Gründerzeit facades. We can only blame it for having more ornamentation than we are used to. It's a great blossom before the style died.
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Indeed, it's pretty straight-forward rich Neo-Baroque. Almost grotesque, but I think I'd love the building.

Just like I'd love the Dresden Kaiserpalast or the original Park Hotel Bremen (aka Parkhaus, lit. car park, lol):


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...khaus_1900.jpg


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...890%29_733.jpg


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...ne_Gestalt.jpg


No ornamental overload, but you can see what's going on here. It's a lot - and I love it.


It was bombed down in WW2. That's what replaced it: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/C...men?uselang=de

Pretty good for post-war architecture imo, but still no match to the lavish historicist original.
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Old October 17th, 2013, 01:41 AM   #1599
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Its hard to see how many great "Gründerzeit"-Buildings Berlin lost, but at least there still a big number of buildings which survived the war, for this buildings there is now a new thread here.

Maybe with the citycastle reconstruction as beginning, Berlin gets some more reconstructions like in Dresden or other citys...
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