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Old June 20th, 2014, 11:18 PM   #1681
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Good heavens. Sounds like 21st century America.
mhh - such "ersatz religions" are a very common mean - e.g. the Olympic Games or Football World Cup (Soccer) are full of rituals and I suppose the Super Bowl has rituals and myths, too...

With such rituals, myths and symbols is it easy to manipulate people - the difference is that today these rituals, myths and symbols are not linked with an autocratic government... (mhh, maybe with some exceptions)
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Old June 21st, 2014, 06:03 PM   #1682
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[QUOTE=C.A.F.;115053884]mhh - such "ersatz religions" are a very common mean - e.g. the Olympic Games or Football World Cup (Soccer) are full of rituals and I suppose the Super Bowl has rituals and myths, too...

With such rituals, myths and symbols is it easy to manipulate people - the difference is that today these rituals, myths and symbols are not linked with an autocratic government... (mhh, maybe with some exceptions)[/QUOTE]

Yep, and we're living it.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 11:03 PM   #1683
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1800

London ........... 950.000
Paris .............. 600.000
Istanbul .......... 570.000
Naples ............ 300.000
Vienna ............ 270.000
Amsterdam ...... 200.000

Berlin .............. 170.000
Hamburg .......... 130.000
Munich .......,...... 40.000
Cologne ............. 40.000

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Old July 18th, 2014, 03:15 PM   #1684
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Well? Berlin was the world's 4th largest city in the early 20th century up to WW2. And you can add Vienna and Prague for 1800.

Industrialisation came along with a German demographic miracle.
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Old July 18th, 2014, 04:29 PM   #1685
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Domination of industrial fabric neo styles (neogothic, neorenaissance, neobaroque) in largest german cities. Nothing else.

Early Baroque .... c.1590–c.1625
High Baroque ..... c.1625–c.1660
Late Baroque ..... c.1660–c.1725

1725

London ........... c.650.000
Istanbul .......... c.650.000
Paris .............. c.550.000
Naples ............ c.250.000
Amsterdam ...... c.200.000
Venice ............ c.150.000
Vienna ............ c.150.000


Berlin ............... c.70.000
Hamburg ........... c.70.000
Cologne ............ c.40.000
Munich ............. c.30.000

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Old July 18th, 2014, 06:34 PM   #1686
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Cologne already had 40.000 inhabitants at the end of the middle ages. There are 12 large romanesque churches inside the medieval city wall. Not to forget the gothic churches with the cathedral outshining all of them.
Its a specific of german history that the largest towns of medieval times (Braunschweig, Nürnberg, Erfurt, Aachen, Köln, Mainz) often lost importance to new residential cities of local souvereigns like Munich, Würzburg, Dresden. Also, the business for the Hanse cities went to crap when the trade with new european colonies gained importance.
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Cologne already had 40.000 inhabitants at the end of the middle ages. There are 12 large romanesque churches inside the medieval city wall.
You mean 12 romanesque churches from 1950s - 1980s
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Old July 18th, 2014, 11:06 PM   #1688
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One also need to remember the 30-years war from 1618-1648 that reduced the population in parts of germany with over 60%. The population in many cities didn't reach pre 30-years war numbers untill the industrial revolution in the 1800s.
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Old July 19th, 2014, 08:26 PM   #1689
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You mean 12 romanesque churches from 1950s - 1980s
What is wrong with you? To quote you and me from another thread:

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Yes, it is, because all that 12 romanic churches are 20 century replicas.
This is sad but true, Cologne was one of the largest cities in medieval Europe.
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They are not! They might have been partly destroyed, but that doesn't make them a replica or copy. It's not as if they had completely vanished from earth.

This...

[IMG]http://in1.*********************/bilder/k%C3%B6ln_altstadt_nord_st_gereon_mit_massiven_kriegszerst%C3%B6rungen_denkmal_kirche_konservator_historisch_705e80438_600x450xcr.jpeg[/IMG]

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Is not creating a replica.

And Cologne Cathedral was almost undamaged in the War:

[IMG]http://www.*********************/bilder/k%C3%B6ln_altstadt_nord_blick_auf_den_dom_nach_dem_krieg_historisch_denkmal_konservator_f60791345_978x1304xin.jpeg[/IMG]
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Old July 30th, 2014, 01:42 AM   #1690
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Old July 31st, 2014, 09:41 PM   #1691
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Cologne already had 40.000 inhabitants at the end of the middle ages. There are 12 large romanesque churches inside the medieval city wall. Not to forget the gothic churches with the cathedral outshining all of them.
Its a specific of german history that the largest towns of medieval times (Braunschweig, Nürnberg, Erfurt, Aachen, Köln, Mainz) often lost importance to new residential cities of local souvereigns like Munich, Würzburg, Dresden. Also, the business for the Hanse cities went to crap when the trade with new european colonies gained importance.
Trade routes and economies change, it's evident in many countries. Look at Belgium where Flanders dominated the pre-industrial economy, Wallonia the industrial manufacturing-based economy and then domiance shifted to Flanders again in the post-industrial economy.

Or a most recent example (since we just spent a month watching the World Cup): Manaus, the poor inland city which once was the centre of the Amazonian rubber boom, whose rubber barons were so wealthy they built a opera house with tiles from Alsace, walls from Glasgow, marble from Tuscany and furnishing from France.
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Berlin 1900

A good chunk of that is actually Munich... looks great. I have to say that the very center of Munichs reconstruction actually wasn't too bad... despite some noteworthy awfulness you really wouldn't know that it had been bombed to rubble by looking at that video.
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Königsberg


Königsberg - Köttelbrücke aufgezogen 1915 por Kenan2, en Flickr


Königberg - Fritz Tschierse-Platz por Kenan2, en Flickr


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Königsberg - ? por Kenan2, en Flickr


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Königsberg - Blick von der Schmiedebrücke por Kenan2, en Flickr
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A good chunk of that is actually Munich... looks great. I have to say that the very center of Munichs reconstruction actually wasn't too bad... despite some noteworthy awfulness you really wouldn't know that it had been bombed to rubble by looking at that video.
Yes, much of the footage is actually Munich.

And, for those who are looking at the people in addition to the architecture, we see Kaiser Wilhelm in a carriage with Czar Nicholas during the occasion of the Kaiser's daughter's wedding celebrations in 1913. The princess Victoria Luise is shown also with her bride groom, the Prince of Hannover, Ernst August.
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Danzig was beautiful. Good to see some reconstruction of the old city today!

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Thank you for posting these Ludi -- and all your images. I've never understood the critique that Berlin was "ugly" (before 1945) -- It wasn't Paris or Dresden or Prague but, for a relatively "young" city by European standards, a city that really grew up at the same time as American industrial centers, the city really had some spectacular districts and was generally, much more beautiful than American cities that came of age at the same time.
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Old November 29th, 2014, 01:20 PM   #1699
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Thank you for posting these Ludi -- and all your images. I've never understood the critique that Berlin was "ugly" (before 1945) -- It wasn't Paris or Dresden or Prague but, for a relatively "young" city by European standards, a city that really grew up at the same time as American industrial centers, the city really had some spectacular districts and was generally, much more beautiful than American cities that came of age at the same time.
Who said that Berlin was ugly before WW II? It was called "Spree-Athen" because of its great classicistic architecture. There have only been claims of modernists that all those stucco facades would cover poverty behind the walls, which took place in the second, third or forth court behind the street.
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Breslau/Wroclaw - Silesia 2014
Many of the pre-war structures in the city are shown in this video.

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