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Old June 4th, 2017, 02:46 AM   #1941
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And in Krakow the medieval walls were torn down to make way for a huge park called the Planty. Vienna is an excellent example of a city where the walls, which were by then obsolete, were torn down to make way for a grand new boulevard, the Ringstraße. Ufonut's issue is with the fact that these cities were not autonomously Polish when the decision to tear down the walls was made. I think under Polish authority, the same may have happened in any case.
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Old June 4th, 2017, 02:24 PM   #1942
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Krakow's medieval walls were torn down in the Free City of Cracow period, as were some churches. It was a self-governing, republican entity, only supervised by the 3 partitioning powers. Originally the order to demolish the fortifications was issued by Napoleon, as part of his modernisation drive.
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Old June 6th, 2017, 12:29 AM   #1943
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Old June 6th, 2017, 08:17 PM   #1944
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Old June 11th, 2017, 05:23 PM   #1945
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Old June 12th, 2017, 10:24 PM   #1947
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Old June 14th, 2017, 08:53 PM   #1948
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The Lehrter Bahnhof was an important transportation hub and structure; it got caught in the "lost" zone on the edge of the far east side of west Berlin, and its ruins were left as such for decades, even though it was salvageable. The replacement, I have to admit, is sensational...the Berliner Bahnhof.
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Old June 15th, 2017, 12:50 AM   #1949
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Exceptional photos, thanks a lot!
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Old June 17th, 2017, 06:53 AM   #1953
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The area where these buildings once stood is today more or less empty:



I had heard there were plans to build, among other things, a monument of some sort here. Does anyone have any information on the subject?

Is there any initiative in Leipzig to restore some of its lost buildings? I know it came out of the war a lot better than most other German cities, and is still very beautiful, but surely some sort of push to revive certain great structures where possible must exist?
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Old June 17th, 2017, 09:38 AM   #1955
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Reading up on the subject, it seems that the key reason why so much of Leipzig survived is because incendiary bombs were not used as frequently as in some other cities.

In comparison to its neighbouring Dresden, Leipzig was bombed much more frequently, and experienced several major raids in the war. Even then, its historic centre is still probably 50/50 old and new, and it has amazingly well preserved outer districts and suburbs. This is largely because explosive bombs were used much more than incendiaries, preventing the large-scale firestorm experienced in Dresden (Leipzig did experience at least one firestorm, but it burnt itself out quickly).

I do wonder how much of Dresden would still be here today if 1,500 tons of incendiaries had not been dropped on the Altstadt, creating the firestorm that ultimately wiped out so much of the city
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Old June 28th, 2017, 07:27 PM   #1956
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Leipzig mostly survived because it wasn't bombed as frequently and fiercely as many other major cities. On top of that it was handed over to the Soviets and was later included in the DDR. After the war neither the state nor the city prioritized clearing up ruins and demolishing partially damaged structures, and because of this perpetual state of neglect that had been taking place for over four decades, after the wall fell there was still enough of prewar Leipzig left to recover the city to its curent state.
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Old June 29th, 2017, 04:43 PM   #1957
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In addition, most of Leipzig's buildings were younger (mostly 19th and early 20th century) and thus more fire resistant than those of e.g. Dresden's (17th/18th) or Frankfurt's (15th-17th) old town. And they didn't use those horrible incendiary bombs like in Dresden that would have set everything on fire.
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Old June 29th, 2017, 05:07 PM   #1958
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The completely wiped out parts of Dresden like Pirnaische Vorstadt, Johannstadt or Seevorstadt were not older than most parts of Leipzig, largely built from 1880s up to WW1.
The firestorm created in Dresden was crucial. We saw it already in Hamburg-Hammerbrook, a similar Gründerzeit quarter which was completely wiped out by the bombings in 1943. Once a firestorm is created, the structure of the build up area is pointless. The destroyed quarters in Dresden apart from the old town had wide streets sometimes with additional green stripes. Even districts with free standing mansions were completely destroyed.
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Old June 29th, 2017, 05:39 PM   #1959
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Yes, I don't think anything could of survived the firestorm that engulfed Dresden. I think that if it had experienced destruction more on the scale of Leipzig, it might have been restored more totally and would still be regarded as one of the world's most beautiful cities today.

I think people get too caught up in whether it was justifiable to bomb Dresden in general, and fail to consider the ferocity of the bombing as a factor. Personally, I believe Dresden was a viable military target. If the Allies thought that attacking it would bring them on inch closer to winning the war, then go ahead. But I also believe the bombing was massively disproportionate, and the city should not have been bombed anywhere near as heavily as it was. We hear accounts of the airmen being shocked at the sight of the firestorm from the air, but the government were under no illusions and knew exactly what they had ordered their airmen to do.

If they had so decided, Leipzig could've been reduced to a smouldering heap overnight.
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Old June 29th, 2017, 07:11 PM   #1960
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I might be slightly off-topic, but I have always wondered why is it that Braunschweig/Brunswick is always put on the list of lost German cities. I realize it was heavily bombed and it lost a large part of its half-timbered buildings, but when I visited the city I was impressed by its old town (even if it has some postwar add-ons as well, and even though many buildings are probably reconstructions). The old area is quite extensive, it includes three charming market squares (Burgplatz, Kohlmarkt and Altstadtmarkt), many nice lanes around them, plus three small and incredibly nice quarters around the old town, Magni, Michaelis and Aegidien. Perhaps it's not the gem it was before the war, but the city still seemed very beautiful to me...
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