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Old March 3rd, 2014, 12:33 AM   #3221
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I never realized Charlotte has such a long way to go as far as infill goes. There are so many more parking lots than I realized
It's the footprint for a city of over 1 million. The lots will be filled in 10 years.
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Old March 3rd, 2014, 08:02 AM   #3222
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Old March 3rd, 2014, 08:24 AM   #3223
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Excellent map -- very informative.
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Old March 3rd, 2014, 08:28 AM   #3224
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Charlotte should get the International Parking Lot Award.
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Old March 3rd, 2014, 03:50 PM   #3225
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Old March 3rd, 2014, 06:10 PM   #3226
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It's the footprint for a city of over 1 million. The lots will be filled in 10 years.
City populations are very deceptive. Metro populations give a far more accurate account of the actual number of people that live in a certain place. Charlotte is better described as a place with 2.4 million people. It's the same size as Vancouver.

Considering Charlotte's population, the skyline is quite small.
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Old March 3rd, 2014, 09:17 PM   #3227
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Considering Charlotte's population, the skyline is quite small.
Agreed! But Charlotte does have better looking skyscrapers than what we have.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 05:25 AM   #3228
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City populations are very deceptive. Metro populations give a far more accurate account of the actual number of people that live in a certain place. Charlotte is better described as a place with 2.4 million people. It's the same size as Vancouver.

Considering Charlotte's population, the skyline is quite small.
The city has grown very rapidly, in a typical sprawl pattern. That's currently the path of least resistance. When that reverses, it will go vertical. But people moving to North Carolina seek the ideal of the pretty yard and front porch. Not many choose to be jammed into ugly condo towers.
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Old March 6th, 2014, 04:01 AM   #3232
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Old March 7th, 2014, 12:01 AM   #3233
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Old March 7th, 2014, 01:30 AM   #3234
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I quite enjoyed looking at your choices. Well done. A points system shows how close a lot of your choices are. #20 is only .5 points out of 6th spot. I'm curious, how far back would you put Mississauga, Newark, Honolulu, Detroit, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Nashville, St. Louis, and Niagara Falls?

I agree with the separation you put between #1, #2, #3, and #4. After that it's very tight.

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The city has grown very rapidly, in a typical sprawl pattern. That's currently the path of least resistance. When that reverses, it will go vertical. But people moving to North Carolina seek the ideal of the pretty yard and front porch. Not many choose to be jammed into ugly condo towers.
I heard that historically the desire for lots of space is strongest in the US south. Is there truth to that? Btw, most people prefer single detached housing but in places like Manhattan and Toronto that's just not possible. In my neighbourhood not only are single detached houses scarce, but I'd need $2-3 million if one of them came up for sale. The only one on my street was listed at $4 million last summer. I'd love to own it, but .....

Condos are usually an indicator that an area is very expensive, and by extension, highly sought after.
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Old March 7th, 2014, 01:36 AM   #3235
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Agreed! But Charlotte does have better looking skyscrapers than what we have.
I agree with that. Charlotte's looks better from many angles, but that aerial is still a shock.
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I heard that historically the desire for lots of space is strongest in the US south. Is there truth to that? Btw, most people prefer single detached housing but in places like Manhattan and Toronto that's just not possible. In my neighbourhood not only are single detached houses scarce, but I'd need $2-3 million if one of them came up for sale.

Condos are usually an indicator that an area is very expensive, and by extension, highly sought after.
It's very true that for generations in the South people have preferred the classic detached house with a yard. And to this day many consider urban highrises as ugly. But the sprawl can only go so far, even in places where there are few constraints to development. Atlanta is rebalancing towards the core but it's young apartment renters and buyers driving the trend. In 20 years these cities should be looking more like their cold climate peers. As for price, both houses and condos are still soft in cities like Atlanta so when things tighten up, they should rise together but for now, there are shocking deals on highrise penthouses in Atlanta.

Highrise living is fairly new to Charlotte so the emphasis is much more on lifestyle than necessity. Builders really have to deliver high-finish units to perk up sales. In Atlanta, condos were built as trophy properties on a par with those in NYC or Chicago. When the 2008 bust occurred, these properties took a massive hit. Right now apartments are what's booming with just a hint of a return to the condo market.
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Old March 7th, 2014, 02:22 AM   #3237
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Your comments echoed my suspicions. Charlotte is likely at the point where they're bumping up against how far it should sprawl. You see a similar evolution in a city's growth in Canadian cities, but we tend to be culturally more open to density. We also tend to have urban planning policies that encourage it. The result is that cities in Canada start re-balancing with downtown condo towers at a far earlier stage in their development. They're certainly not as endearing as a detached house, but they do create great downtowns packed with life/people. Even metropolitan areas below 500,000 have urban plans in force that encourage density in nodes.

That said, many still idealize the detached house with the white picket fence but it's financially out of reach in most cities here. You have to go to towns or rural areas to get that these days... unless you're wealthy.
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