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Old May 5th, 2014, 02:25 PM   #3501
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Toronto will be in the same level as NYC and Chicago in the coming decade.
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Old May 5th, 2014, 04:53 PM   #3502
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Toronto will be in the same level as NYC and Chicago in the coming decade.
How many U/C or approved do you have at the moment?
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Old May 5th, 2014, 09:45 PM   #3503
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Old May 5th, 2014, 10:36 PM   #3504
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Toronto will be in the same level as NYC and Chicago in the coming decade.
If you're smoking crack yes, Toronto could rival Chicago someday but NYC is on the same level as Hong Kong, Shanghai, Dubai etc. (I guess Chicago is too but development is moving more slowly, same with Hong Kong.)

Don't get me wrong, as a North American I love Toronto and it's arguably the third best skyline in all of the Americas but let's not go overboard.





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Old May 6th, 2014, 01:06 AM   #3505
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Toronto will be in the same level as NYC and Chicago in the coming decade.
The problem I have with this statement is the fact that New York has twice as many skyscrapers as Chicago. Toronto could approach Chicago's level unless Chicago picks it up again. I don't see Chicago standing still for that long though.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 01:42 AM   #3506
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This is nowhere near the totality of the Miami skyline, but it's a nice shot. I guess you could call this the core.

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Old May 6th, 2014, 01:49 AM   #3507
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This is nowhere near the totality of the Miami skyline, but it's a nice shot. I guess you could call this the core.

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Miami is getting better day by day! How many 200m+ buildings are U/C in Miami?
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Old May 6th, 2014, 01:53 AM   #3508
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The problem I have with this statement is the fact that New York has twice as many skyscrapers as Chicago. Toronto could approach Chicago's level unless Chicago picks it up again. I don't see Chicago standing still for that long though.
I agree with you Quantum. Toronto is nowhere near to NYC, and it doesn't have the same height and density of Chicago. But it doesn't really bother me, a 3rd spot in North America is awesome considering what our skyline was just a decade ago, so I'm happy with that (but watchout T.O, Miami is catching up ).
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Old May 6th, 2014, 02:12 AM   #3509
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Old May 6th, 2014, 02:22 AM   #3510
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Miami is getting better day by day! How many 200m+ buildings are U/C in Miami?
They haven't started yet, but we have three that we know of scheduled to start later this year.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 02:47 AM   #3511
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The problem I have with this statement is the fact that New York has twice as many skyscrapers as Chicago. Toronto could approach Chicago's level unless Chicago picks it up again. I don't see Chicago standing still for that long though.
Agree. If things move forward in Toronto it will pull even with Chicago around 2018, but both these skylines would still be only half the size of the New York skyline. It looks like Chicago is waking up just it time to mount a defense of its #2 spot. It might be a case of delaying the inevitable though. Toronto has more growth potential than Chicago and will likely keep expanding smartly on every front for another 2-3 decades.

And I agree with Zach. Miami has many of the same elements that Toronto has and will be a far more important city in the US than it is today.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 03:05 AM   #3512
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Is it all about number of buildings though? I love the balance of Toronto's skyline with the CN Tower in the middle. Largest number of skyscrapers does not necessarily mean best skyline. However, more density is always good. It's only going to get better with major projects like Mirvish-Ghery, Oxford Place, One Yonge, and more!

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I love the postcard waterfront view of Toronto's skyline, however it only shows a small section of downtown!

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Old May 6th, 2014, 03:31 AM   #3513
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Is it all about number of buildings though? I love the balance of Toronto's skyline with the CN Tower in the middle. Largest number of skyscrapers does not necessarily mean best skyline.
It's certainly not all about number of buildings, but that's where the discussion momentarily went. Architecture, quality, layering, balance, composition, etc. all come into play. You can have a better skyline with less scale, it's just harder to pull off.

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However, more density is always good. It's only going to get better with major projects like Mirvish-Ghery, Oxford Place, One Yonge, and more!
Those 3 proposals really are the big boys, aren't they? That's potentially 14 major towers right there. Almost all of them would be impressive buildings in their own right. Getting all 3 proposals built would bump Toronto up a few notches in my eyes.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 04:02 AM   #3514
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This is one of the few shots that actually does the Toronto skyline justice. Everybody loves the view from the water, but the skyline doesn't extend along the waterfront, it extends outward from the waterfront, so you need this angle to really be able to see what the Toronto skyline really looks like. I love the configuration and the fact that they are now building taller father away from the waterfront.

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Old May 6th, 2014, 07:01 AM   #3515
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Toronto is pretty sick I'll give it that

Chicago does have 3 buildings in the 350 meter range and one almost 450 meters to the roof so Toronto needs some supertalls to catch up quicker.

CN tower kind of counts but structurally it's only barely taller than Sears (529 vs 553 meters)

I do love the CN tower though and need to visit it someday soon
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I'll be in Toronto next month for WorldPride 2014. I'll get the best pictures I can. Everything is all set now. Bought plane tickets the other day.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 11:08 AM   #3517
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Chicago does have 3 buildings in the 350 meter range and one almost 450 meters to the roof so Toronto needs some supertalls to catch up quicker.

CN tower kind of counts but structurally it's only barely taller than Sears (529 vs 553 meters)

I do love the CN tower though and need to visit it someday soon
If we're counting antennae (Sears Tower, 529m) then Toronto already has a super tall in First Canadian Place, 355m. Sears Tower is more accurately described as a 442m building.

I agree that super tall is Toronto's achilles' heel. Toronto could beat Chicago in every category, but till it matches Chicago's 4 super talls the skyline will be viewed as a step down from Chicago's.

Chicago's super talls
Willis 442m
Trump 357m
Aon 346m
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I agree that super tall is Toronto's achilles' heel. Toronto could beat Chicago in every category, but till it matches Chicago's 4 super talls the skyline will be viewed as a step down from Chicago's.
I think if Toronto can get 2 buildings in the ~350m+ range, it will then become a viable contender to Chicago. Until then Toronto could end up with double the 200m buildings and double the 100m buildings and still be in 3rd place behind Chicago and NYC (will always be behind NYC, but #2 is viable).

I also think Toronto needs to step up its game in terms of designs. It's not that the buildings on their own are bad, but it seems like all the city knows how to build lately is blue-glass residentials. The skyline looks almost as banal as it does impressive. "Variety is the spice of life."
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The complaints within Toronto regarding the sea of sterile blue glass started a few years ago and grew louder each passing year. Some developers have taken notice and we're finally seeing more creativity, better quality, and a more diverse range of materials being used. It's been a long haul, but the current crop U/C and proposed are far better than what we saw even 2-3 years ago.

There's still far too much glass for my liking, but it is getting better. The cherry on our sundae looks to be One Bloor currently U/C, the Foster office proposal, and the Gehry proposal. All 6 of these towers look to be the show stoppers Torontonians have been longing for since Scotia Plaza went up 26 years ago.

Speaking of getting 2 buildings in the 350m range, those Foster office proposals are twins at 325m each. They're officially listed as 'shelved' due to the casino component falling through, but the developer said it will eventually go ahead and Foster is still aboard.


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