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Old August 7th, 2014, 11:14 PM   #4061
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Well, I really don't care that much for Aqua in Chicago either, but I love Aura in Toronto.
See, and I only like the top half of Aura. I don't say everything HAS to be MY WAY. However, I am opinionated for sure, and I defend the heck out of my opinions. Come visit the Northeast and you'll find 40 million more *******s like me who are convinced they are right about everything.

The thing with skylines, is there are probably upwards of a dozen different categories to rank it by (height, density, quality, quantity, layout, etc etc etc.) Everybody is going to stress different aspects based on personal tastes. I just think it happens to be that you and I do not really overlap on the aspects that we stress as most important.

However, whether I am criticizing and hurting feelings or not, I do make a point of bringing up positive things I like about something. For instance, I have held up 8-10 buildings in Miami as ones that I really like, and also mention that the real life impact of all the new towers is probably more than I give it credit for in pictures. So yeah, maybe I do have some of those caustic undertones that are more characteristic of where I come from. (ever heard of Northern hospitality? me neither) But I'm not just some blind hater. I am consistent with what I like, I am consistent with what I don't, and I am willing to dole out praise and criticism in equal helpings.

In case you didn't notice, this last explosion of comments originated when I was trying to be positive about the outlook of MY city, and it somehow got turned around into THIS DISCUSSION. Also, supposedly I insulted NYC even though none of that rings a bell.

Take what I say with a grain of salt. I am one man with my own opinions, as are you, as is everybody else on this forum. I may not always/often agree with you, but I can respect the effort you put into your comments and I hope you can respect the research I put into mine.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 11:25 PM   #4062
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I do my aerials by plane. It's cheaper. Helicopters are too expensive. I prefer an FK9, which is a slow-flying, light-weight propeller plane which only seats two side-by-side (me and the pilot) and allows me to take the door off so that I have unobstructed views.

I really don't think you'll like the Miami skyline more in person because ground level interaction with the condos is lacking. Also, I think I manage to make it look better most of the time than it actually is. The Southeast Financial Center remains my favorite building even after 30 years. It's been First Union and Wachovia since then. Now it's back to being just the Southeast Financial Center. It was designed by Skidmore, Owings, and Merrill.

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Old August 7th, 2014, 11:34 PM   #4063
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You have likely never lived in a high-rise building. And absolutely never lived in tropical weather.

Balconies are not the "great development" in structural engineering. In fact, tall buildings with balconies are designed the same way as those without. The issue here is climate. Balconies were never common, and will never be, on template latitudes because of climate. In the northeast and midwest USA where winters are harsh, balconies (with continuous concrete slabs) create a path for the cold to penetrate the occupied space. This is inefficient from an energy and environmental point of view. This is the number one reason why balconies are not prominent in these regions. At solution to this issue is to have balconies that are not continuous with the interior of the building like attached structural steel balconies with diagonal braces/hangers. the issue is that when temperatures are VERY cold for most of the year, it does not make economic sense to invest in an attached balcony when it will only be used for a handful of weeks a month.

That said, balconies are popular in tropical climates because they can be used year round. And if you live,or have lived, in a highrise building you will know that stepping outside for fresh air is a MUST.

I will not consider Aqua the epitome of balconies. While indeed in this case the balconies are the most defining feature of the building, there are many other examples where balconies are better integrated with the building's facade so that they go unnoticeable for the most part.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 12:29 AM   #4064
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You have likely never lived in a high-rise building. And absolutely never lived in tropical weather.

Balconies are not the "great development" in structural engineering. In fact, tall buildings with balconies are designed the same way as those without.
Where are you getting your information?
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Old August 8th, 2014, 12:32 AM   #4065
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Where are you getting your information?
I am a licensed Structural Engineer.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 12:36 AM   #4066
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I am a licensed Structural Engineer.
But don't balconies and recessed windows on very tall buildings increase windload? That's my understanding, and now they can more precisely measure how much windload a building can take through computer technology, thus taller buildings with balconies.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 02:11 AM   #4067
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Just discovered this thread, and I think it's full of unnecessary fights. Please stop it guys.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 03:37 AM   #4068
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Just discovered this thread, and I think it's full of unnecessary fights. Please stop it guys.
You just discovered this thread and they're over.
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Old August 10th, 2014, 07:54 AM   #4069
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Old August 10th, 2014, 09:42 AM   #4070
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Old August 10th, 2014, 10:03 AM   #4071
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Old August 10th, 2014, 10:10 AM   #4072
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Our moderator Marcanadian is a very talented photographer!!
Yes, you're lucky to have hiim to showcase Toronto to the world.
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Old August 10th, 2014, 08:50 PM   #4073
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I've always found that spot to be postcard perfect with the CN Tower framed as it is.
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Old August 10th, 2014, 09:07 PM   #4074
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Old August 10th, 2014, 09:33 PM   #4075
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I've always found that spot to be postcard perfect with the CN Tower framed as it is.
Yeah, I almost god eaten alive by mosquitoes, but I thought it was a great view.

Here's a couple more from that night:

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I actually went down to see if I could get a photo of the International Space Station flying overhead, and this is the only decent one I got. You can see it in the upper right.

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Thanks for a very useful insight.

As I look back on a peripatetic life, I can see that the thermally-attached concrete balconies and patios that I have lived with have all been in warm climates -- two in Los Angeles, and one each in Austin and San Jose.

The thermally detached ones -- three structurally independent wooden decks and balconies, and two bolted-on steel fire escapes -- were in colder climates such as New York and Seattle. (The fire escapes served as workable balconies.)

So now I know why. Nine data points, and they all fit your model.
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Balconies are not the "great development" in structural engineering. In fact, tall buildings with balconies are designed the same way as those without.

The issue here is climate. Balconies were never common, and will never be, in temperate latitudes because of climate. In the northeast and midwest USA where winters are harsh, balconies (with continuous concrete slabs) create a path for the cold to penetrate the occupied space. This is inefficient from an energy and environmental point of view. This is the number one reason why balconies are not prominent in these regions.

A solution to this issue is to have balconies that are not continuous with the interior of the building like attached structural steel balconies with diagonal braces/hangers. the issue is that when temperatures are VERY cold for most of the year, it does not make economic sense to invest in an attached balcony when it will only be used for a handful of weeks a month.

That said, balconies are popular in tropical climates because they can be used year round. And if you live,or have lived, in a highrise building you will know that stepping outside for fresh air is a MUST.
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This port is one reason why Miami is more important in world commerce than many people think and another reason why the skyline will continue to grow - Cruise Capital of the World, Cargo Gateway to the Americas.

http://www.miamidade.gov/portmiami/cargo-main.asp

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