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Old August 15th, 2014, 05:33 AM   #4101
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Believe me theres no way that miami is listed above mexico city in constructions developments , I live in Mexico City but I travel to Miami four times a year and I see the double of cranes on Mexico City than in Miami ... Even if you count in that way "200m gets extra points" mexico city still beats miami by the points it gets by all the +100-200m constructions....
Okay, if you say so, but that won't last long with the number of proposals on the table for Miami that are almost ready to start construction and the strength of the market. Also, cranes are hard to see when projects have just started construction. I never use that as a measure.
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Old August 15th, 2014, 08:29 AM   #4102
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Okay, if you say so, but that won't last long with the number of proposals on the table for Miami that are almost ready to start construction and the strength of the market. Also, cranes are hard to see when projects have just started construction. I never use that as a measure.
Sorry but i doubt it, mexico city has alot of projects under preparations al most more than the constructions, and also it has a 452m supertall under proposed, the design is about to be released soon and many more mystery projects this is just the beginning of the city's boom
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Old August 15th, 2014, 08:32 AM   #4103
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I'm afraid that it's all way too complicated for me.....
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Old August 15th, 2014, 09:33 AM   #4104
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Things are getting heated.

We'll just have to wait till that data base updates its file; which it does annually. Perhaps you 2 should put up a friendly wager? If Mexico City adds more points from 2013 to 2014 on that site, 'QuantumX' has to buy 'brickellresidence' 2 internet beers. If Miami adds more points, 'brickellresidence' has to buy 'QuantumX' 2 internet beers.

Here's what we have according to that site:

02. New York 38,220 pts
06. Chicago 17,252 pts
16. Toronto 9,472 pts
17. Panama City 9,088 pts
22. Miami 6,192 pts (includes Sunny Isles)
30. Houston 4,997
40. Los Angeles 3,834 pts
42. Atlanta 3,597 pts
43. Mexico City 3,578 pts
44. San Francisco 3,440 pts
47. Las Vegas 2,916 pts
48. Dallas 2,858 pts
50. Philadelphia 2,662 pts
53. Calgary 2,557 pts
58. Boston 2,361 pts
61. Seattle 2,202 pts
67. Vancouver 1,747 pts
68. Montreal 1,735 pts
74. Honolulu 1,610 pts
77. Minneapolis 1,582 pts

We'll see which one adds the most pts (builds more metres of skyscraper over 90m) from this year to next year's revision. Here's north America's top 20 listed in order of their world rank for 2013.
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Old August 15th, 2014, 09:35 AM   #4105
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Sorry but i doubt it, mexico city has alot of projects under preparations al most more than the constructions, and also it has a 452m supertall under proposed, the design is about to be released soon and many more mystery projects this is just the beginning of the city's boom
Okay, then I guess this list is wrong. Maybe you could help them update it the way I help them update Miami's list. It's shows only two proposed buildings way down the list in height.

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Old August 15th, 2014, 05:35 PM   #4106
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It's different for every city. Mexico City and Panama City have no listings on SSP at all. I know for Toronto, SSP is far more accurate than CTBUH. I believe SSP is based in Canada, so that might have something to do with it.
If you are talking about the diagrams, they are both listed. However, you have to search for just "Panama" or "Mexico" under the city name. Both cities are fairly well populated (over 1000 structures under Mexico), and most buildings have diagrams at this point. Although, don't forget to include the buildings without drawings in your search for full accuracy!

Sometimes I find if a city I think *should* be on the diagrams but isn't, you can do a search for the country or state to get the exact name they are using for the city. (example St. or St or Saint, makes a difference in your search)
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Old August 15th, 2014, 07:39 PM   #4107
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Thanks very much. I've been trying 'Panama City' for about 2 years and just thought no one had made entries.
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Old August 15th, 2014, 07:53 PM   #4108
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Things are getting heated.

We'll just have to wait till that data base updates its file; which it does annually. Perhaps you 2 should put up a friendly wager? If Mexico City adds more points from 2013 to 2014 on that site, 'QuantumX' has to buy 'brickellresidence' 2 internet beers. If Miami adds more points, 'brickellresidence' has to buy 'QuantumX' 2 internet beers.

Here's what we have according to that site:

02. New York 38,220 pts
06. Chicago 17,252 pts
16. Toronto 9,472 pts
17. Panama City 9,088 pts
28. Miami 6,192 pts (includes Sunny Isles)
30. Houston 4,997
40. Los Angeles 3,834 pts
42. Atlanta 3,597 pts
43. Mexico City 3,578 pts
44. San Francisco 3,440 pts
47. Las Vegas 2,916 pts
48. Dallas 2,858 pts
50. Philadelphia 2,662 pts
53. Calgary 2,557 pts
58. Boston 2,361 pts
61. Seattle 2,202 pts
67. Vancouver 1,747 pts
68. Montreal 1,735 pts
74. Honolulu 1,610 pts
77. Minneapolis 1,582 pts

We'll see which one adds the most pts (builds more metres of skyscraper over 90m) from this year to next year's revision. Here's north America's top 20 listed in order of their world rank for 2013.
http://tudl0867.home.xs4all.nl/skylines.html

Including Sunny Isles Beach actually puts Miami at 22.
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Old August 15th, 2014, 08:15 PM   #4109
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Thanks.
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Old August 15th, 2014, 08:27 PM   #4110
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With what's on the drawing board for all these cities, who can really say what their skylines will look like by 2020. That is the year I estimate the results of this current boom will be all done. What these lists show are nowhere near what's proposed. It's too hard to keep track of.
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Old August 15th, 2014, 08:28 PM   #4111
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You're right there. Some of our cities are experiencing tremendous growth. All one can say for sure is that the top 20 (by size) will look different in 2020 than it does today. We should save the list and re-visit it 5.5 years from now. It's always interesting to turn back the clock and see what it used to be like.

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Old August 15th, 2014, 08:45 PM   #4112
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Does LA and Houston make it? Or they're too small?
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Does LA and Houston make it? Or they're too small?
They're both top 10 in size (6 for Houston, 7 for LA) but either could arguably crack the top 5 in terms of total package, particularly for those who emphasize height among their top criteria.
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Any of those skylines in that list (Post #4104) are fine with me.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 03:15 AM   #4115
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I use SSP, it's far more up to date.
Have you ever noticed that the heights for these 5 tallest buildings in this picture are not listed on SSP, but if you follow the diagram lines for the Trump trio on the right, they are all over 500 feet tall? We don't know why that is except that maybe these buildings exceeded the heights for which they were approved. Have a look for yourself. I don't think these five buildings are ever included anywhere because you can't find the heights listed to add them into the totals.

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I'm not familiar enough with Miami to know if something is missing or wrong. Canadian cities are the only ones that I know well enough to notice something like that. So these are all over 150m/500ft? What name do they go by?
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I'm not familiar enough with Miami to know if something is missing or wrong. Canadian cities are the only ones that I know well enough to notice something like that. So these are all over 150m/500ft? What name do they go by?
Trump Tower I, II, and III are all over the 150m line in the SkyscraperPage diagrams section, while the Turnberry Ocean Colony North and South are just below the 150m line, yet the heights of these buildings are not listed. The CTBUH lists the Trump trio at 461 feet, but I don't believe that. SkyscraperPage is the only source I know of that gives us any clue as to what the heights of these buildings actually are by where they draw the 150m line in the Diagrams section. It makes me wonder if they are actually being counted by the sources that make these lits.
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Trump Tower I, II, and III are all over the 150m line in the SkyscraperPage diagrams section, while the Turnberry Ocean Colony North and South are just below the 150m line, yet the heights of these buildings are not listed. The CTBUH lists the Trump trio at 461 feet, but I don't believe that. SkyscraperPage is the only source I know of that gives us any clue as to what the heights of these buildings actually are by where they draw the 150m line in the Diagrams section. It makes me wonder if they are actually being counted by the sources that make these lits.
SSP is more accurate concerning the height of the Trump trio towers as SSC just estimates the height on their list with a * next to them. Standing next to Turnberry Ocean Colony towers there clearly over 500 feet

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SSP is more accurate concerning the height of the Trump trio towers as SSC just estimates the height on their list with a * next to them.
I think the Trump trio are clearly over 500 feet or 152 meter.

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Standing next to Turnberry Ocean Colony towers there clearly over 500 feet.
I think the Turnberry Ocean Colony towers are just under 500 feet or 152 meter. They appear to be more like 480 feet to me or 147 meters.

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SSC - here meaning skyscraper center
It's best to use the initials CTBUH here as you are refering to their skyscraper center. To most people on this website, SSC is an abbreviation for SkyscraperCity.
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Have you ever noticed that the heights for these 5 tallest buildings in this picture are not listed on SSP, but if you follow the diagram lines for the Trump trio on the right, they are all over 500 feet tall? We don't know why that is except that maybe these buildings exceeded the heights for which they were approved. Have a look for yourself. I don't think these five buildings are ever included anywhere because you can't find the heights listed to add them into the totals.

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I counted the floors on these. The shorter 2 (greenish roofs) are only ~35 floors each, residential. I know here in Boston we have 40 floor residentials that are under 400'. I'm positive those 2 are not 500'. The taller ones are only a few floors higher, approximately 40. Considering they are all residentials, I don't believe these are over 500' either. I'd say 450' at best, maybe/probably even less than that based on general residential floor heights.

Don't always trust the drawings in the diagrams. People make a lot of mistakes on those, often by a full 100'. (or some totally weird amount)
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