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Old November 27th, 2014, 08:02 PM   #4581
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Chicago vs Toronto - now that will be interesting to watch.
throw Miami into the mix as well.





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Old November 28th, 2014, 01:10 PM   #4582
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Old November 28th, 2014, 01:22 PM   #4583
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Between 2001 and 2011 it seemed that Chicago and Toronto were closing in on New York. New York just lost its Twin Towers and only a few tall buildings were built in that decade. But now the city is in the middle of a massive boom. The skyline is getting very tall (6 400m+ towers to the roof). One could say that New York is only competing with the big boys (Shanghai, Shenzhen, Hong Kong, Dubai etc.), because let's face it, in North America there's no real competitor for the foreseeable future.

Chicago vs Toronto - now that will be interesting to watch.
Agree with all of that. New York has taken it up a notch or 2. Despite Toronto experiencing a historic boom the current scale of development won't put a dent in the gap. That said, the amount of growth in Toronto is staggering considering it's a metro one third the size of New York (6-7 million vs. 18-21 million).

From a Toronto POV it will be interesting to see if the city can graduate to 300-450m buildings from the 150-300m buildings that seem to dominate construction here currently. This is a fiercely pragmatic city, so it will only happen if Toronto's trajectory continues. Even if it does, Toronto won't see buildings on that scale for another 10 years or more. Land values and demand aren't high enough to make them economical right now.

New York remains in a class of its own. After that Chicago - Toronto will be interesting. I'm also looking at Panama City - Miami and then some outliers that are going to grow significantly: San Francisco, Calgary, Edmonton.
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Old November 28th, 2014, 01:37 PM   #4584
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Don't want to start a city v city, but what's the 200 meter building count in Chicago and Toronto? Both have similar lake settings, but Chicago's got the supertalls and have been building skyscrapers for a longer period of time, but Toronto has some serious momentum.
Chicago only started building skyscrapers a few years before Toronto, Montreal, Philadelphia, etc. In reality, most cities of any size in north America started to go vertical in the late 1890s. There's a perception that only New York and Chicago built them back then. What's more accurate is that those 2 cities built more of them, and taller than everyone else because they were the 2 biggest cities in north America 120 years ago.

Hunser answered your question, but it reminded me of a table I posted back in May. It's 6 months old now, but I'll re-post it below. I included the CN Tower as it does make a huge impact on the skyline despite being classified as a tower instead of building. As you can see, things might tighten up considerably between Chicago and Toronto over the next 4-5 years.

For shorter buildings (50-99m), Toronto is already ahead by a wide margin. It doesn't register in skyline shots all that much, but Toronto already feels like the bigger city when one leaves the downtown core. Where Chicago trumps Toronto is in 300m+ buildings. It could come down to personal preference before the decade is out.

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Chicago 5
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Chicago 32
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# of Buildings 100-199m
Chicago 301
Toronto 329

# of Buildings 50-99m
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Old November 28th, 2014, 02:06 PM   #4585
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Agree with all of that. New York has taken it up a notch or 2. Despite Toronto experiencing a historic boom the current scale of development will only keep it from falling further behind New York rather than closing the gap. That said, the amount of growth in Toronto is staggering considering it's a metro one third the size of New York (6-7 million vs. 18-21 million). From a Toronto POV it will be interesting to see if the city can graduate to 300-450m buildings from the 150-300m buildings that seem to dominate construction here currently. This is a fiercely pragmatic city, so it will only happen if Toronto's trajectory continues. Even if it does, Toronto won't see buildings on that scale for another 10 years or more. Land values and demand aren't high enough to make them economical right now. New York remains in a class of its own. After that Chicago - Toronto will be interesting. I'm also looking at Panama City - Miami and then some outliers that are going to grow significantly: San Francisco, Calgary, Edmonton.
Evryone seems to forget Mexico City that is also going to grow significantly and positioning to the americas top 5 in the near future
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Old November 28th, 2014, 03:28 PM   #4586
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Evryone seems to forget Mexico City that is also going to grow significantly and positioning to the americas top 5 in the near future
You're quite right. Mexico City is way under people's radar in Canada/US, but agree that it will likely be a top 5 in the near future. I should have mentioned it under my 'outlier' category of interest.
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Old November 29th, 2014, 05:23 PM   #4588
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4 km north of the lake in Yorkville the city is still quite built up. It might be wall to wall skyscrapers the whole length within 10 years.


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Wow !!, Is that the Skyline of Chicago ?? QuantumX, Our SSC Friendly Family World Super Moderator and # 1 Miami Forum Friend to Everyone !!
Steve,. Fantastic Photo, and welcome back , How was your Thanksgiving ??
Looks like Chicago from It's Lake there to me,
But NO, It's the Whole City of Miami Skyline from a Cruise Ship about 4 miles out on the Ocean !!


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Awesome Miami photo Quantum. You offers a good look at how the metro is laid out.
I wish I could take credit for such a great photo. That one is definitely beyond my capabilities. There is a lot more of the Miami metro southwest of what's in that photo that would be off to the left with Coconut Grove, Coral Gables, South Miami, and Dadeland

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throw Miami into the mix as well.
After it's all said and done, I still think it's going to be New York, Chicago, Toronto, and Miami in that order on the North American continent. As booming as Miami is right now, we are hampered by the proximity of MIA and the FAA.
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Between 2001 and 2011 it seemed that Chicago and Toronto were closing in on New York. New York just lost its Twin Towers and only a few tall buildings were built in that decade. But now the city is in the middle of a massive boom. The skyline is getting very tall (6 400m+ towers to the roof). One could say that New York is only competing with the big boys (Shanghai, Shenzhen, Hong Kong, Dubai etc.), because let's face it, in North America there's no real competitor for the foreseeable future.

Chicago vs Toronto - now that will be interesting to watch.
Looked up how many over 200m buildings each city added. Chicago and New York were neck and neck but I don't recall there ever being a feeling of other cities closing in. New York underperformed per capita compared to Chicago, but nothing too bad. It's only in a brief period from 2009 to 2011 that Chicago and Toronto brought a lot of skyscrapers on board and actually passed New York in added skyscrapers that year. But even in those years we had major supertall projects under construction in New York (stuff that other North American cities didn't have). Yeah, New York now has 7 supertalls and 25+ more in the pipeline (with 10 starting construction next year). I don't think any city in the Americas can ever come close, simply because no other city in the Americas could ever have such a demand for so many tall buildings.

200m+ built 2000-2009
New York (11-2: 9): Trump World, 383 Madison Avenue, Random House Tower, Bloomberg Center, Time Warner Center x2, Times Square Tower, 7 World Trade Center, New York Times Tower*, Barclay Tower, Bank of America Tower*
Chicago (9): Park Tower, 111 South Wacker, Hyatt Center, 340 on Park, Trump International Hotel and Tower*, Acqua, 300 North LaSalle, One Museum Park, Waldorf Astoria Chicago
Atlanta (2): 1180 Peachtree, Sovereign
Miami (2): Marquis Residences, Four Seasons Hotel Miami
Philadelphia (1): Comcast Center
Toronto (1): Bay Adelaide Centre

Places like San Francisco and Miami built a few in the 190-199m range that weren't counted btw

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