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Old December 2nd, 2014, 07:49 PM   #4601
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The only real rivals to New York today are, imo, Dubai, Guangzhou and Shenzhen. Hong Kong's skyscraper construction has dried up. New York by 2020 might have 25 supertalls. Hong Kong has, and will have, 6. Ten years ago, Hong Kong had 4 and New York had 2. Since then New York has built 5 and Hong Kong has built 2. Hong Kong's skyline will remain my #1, however, for its unmatched natural setting.

Shanghai only has 4 supertalls (and that's counting the Shanghai Tower). It has built 3 since 2004 while New York has built 5. So New York has actually added space between itself and Shanghai. And while New York has 25+ supertall proposals, Shanghai has only a handfull. After White Magnolia Plaza finished up, Shanghai will have 6 supertalls and a dearth of future projects. It's the Hong Kong of the 2010s
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 09:51 PM   #4602
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Old December 3rd, 2014, 08:36 PM   #4603
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Old December 4th, 2014, 04:46 AM   #4605
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Old December 4th, 2014, 07:13 PM   #4606
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The only real rivals to New York today are, imo, .....................................................................................................
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Let's keep the discussion from straying to international skylines. There are plenty of "Best skylines in the World" type threads for that! Thanks.

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200m+ built 2000-2009
As we prepare to enter 2015, why would you choose 2009 as the cut off date for your statistics? Statistics like that are only meaningful if they are current. A lot has happened in skylines since that time, and is still currently happening.

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It's only in a brief period from 2009 to 2011 that Chicago and Toronto brought a lot of skyscrapers on board
Really? What about everything that has been built since 2011? Now, I am not saying any city is going to overtake NYC, because I find that kind of speculation to be futile. However, I think
current statistics are always the best to use!
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Old December 4th, 2014, 07:40 PM   #4607
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Old December 4th, 2014, 10:45 PM   #4608
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Old December 5th, 2014, 01:40 AM   #4609
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Let's keep the discussion from straying to international skylines. There are plenty of "Best skylines in the World" type threads for that! Thanks.



As we prepare to enter 2015, why would you choose 2009 as the cut off date for your statistics? Statistics like that are only meaningful if they are current. A lot has happened in skylines since that time, and is still currently happening.



Really? What about everything that has been built since 2011? Now, I am not saying any city is going to overtake NYC, because I find that kind of speculation to be futile. However, I think
current statistics are always the best to use!
Because New York began to grow again in 2009. The argument is that there was a time period where New York was getting left behind from approximately 2000(the NASDAQ bust)/2001 (9/11) to 2009 (when the boom began). In that time period, however, no city other than Chicago came close to rivaling New York. No other city actually gained on New York until a brief span from maybe 2009-2011 when the New York boom was nascent and Chicago/Miami/Toronto were adding a lot of 200-299m skyscrapers (Chicago completed 10 skyscrapers and 1 supertall from 2009-2011 alone). So if there was a gap where NY fell behind it was a brief time period from 2009-2011, and even then NY had major supertall projects under construction (1WTC, One57).

So the idea of New York falling behind from 2001-2009 is not really backed up by the data. It's a psychological reaction to the loss of 2 supertalls and a slow-down from the 1990s. New York, from 2001-2009, added more than any other NA city minus Chicago (which it tied). I think the 2000s were great for New York's skyline to be honest: Trump World Center, Time Warner Center x2, Bloomberg Tower, New York Times, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs and lots of smaller gems like the Hearst Tower.
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Old December 5th, 2014, 02:12 AM   #4610
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Here's what New York had added in terms of skyscrapers since 2011 (as per your request) (T/O inclusive for all cities):

CHICAGO:
NONE but 10 skyscrapers and 1 supertalls came on board from 2009-2011 so the market had to absorb the new space

NEW YORK
432 Park Avenue: 1,396'
1717 Broadway: 753'
Atelier: 656'
Four World Trade Center: 977'
One57: 1,005'
One World Trade Center: 1,776'
3 supertalls + 3 skyscrapers: 6 over 200m

TORONTO
Aura: 892'
Ice 1: 664'
Ice 2: 769'
L Tower: 673'
Shangri-La Toronto: 702'
Trump: 908'
6 skyscrapers: 6 over 200m

So, no. From 2011 till today, neither Toronto nor Chicago has managed to gain on New York. Chicago tied New York from 2001-2009, gained on NY from 2009-2011 and is falling behind again. Toronto fell way behind New York from 2001-2009, beat New York from 2009-2011, tied New York from 2011-today, and is now poised to fall behind again. New York now has 3 supertalls and 9 skyscrapers U/C, Chicago has 2 skyscrapers U/C and Toronto has 4 U/C (excl. Ice 2). So New York is now producing 3x the 200m+ of Toronto and 6x that of Chicago. From 2009-2011 was the only time period were Chicago and Toronto gained on New York.

And if you look at my quote in full context (instead of only the first part), I say that: "It's only in a brief period from 2009 to 2011 that Chicago and Toronto brought a lot of skyscrapers on board and actually passed New York in added skyscrapers that year". Of course both Chicago and Toronto have built a lot since then but notice I used 'and'. It's only from 2009-2011 that they actually passed New York in added skyscrapers during the time period. Granted, New York is 2.5x the size of both cities so the fact that NY was not adding 2.5x as many skyscrapers as Chicago and Toronto from 2001-2011 could be seen as relative underperformance. But in aggregate terms, New York only fell behind from 2009-2011.
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^ Toronto currently has six 200 metre+ buildings under construction (8 if you include Ice East and L Tower which are topped out but still U/C.)
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Old December 5th, 2014, 07:25 PM   #4612
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The only real rivals to New York today are, imo, Dubai, Guangzhou and Shenzhen. Hong Kong's skyscraper construction has dried up. New York by 2020 might have 25 supertalls. Hong Kong has, and will have, 6. Ten years ago, Hong Kong had 4 and New York had 2. Since then New York has built 5 and Hong Kong has built 2. Hong Kong's skyline will remain my #1, however, for its unmatched natural setting.

Shanghai only has 4 supertalls (and that's counting the Shanghai Tower). It has built 3 since 2004 while New York has built 5. So New York has actually added space between itself and Shanghai. And while New York has 25+ supertall proposals, Shanghai has only a handfull. After White Magnolia Plaza finished up, Shanghai will have 6 supertalls and a dearth of future projects. It's the Hong Kong of the 2010s
After seeing this comment I'm reconsidering a bit my view on world skyscrapers which was really asiano-centric yeah it seems NYC will seriously develop while arguably two best asian skylines will stay stagnant. But is there any other place in Western World undergoing similar building boom as NYC? Anyway its pretty cool that it seems NYC will stay as world skyscraper capital(or atleast strict top 3).
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Old December 5th, 2014, 07:40 PM   #4613
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But is there any other place in Western World undergoing similar building boom as NYC?
One's conclusions largely depend on what criteria and time period one uses. By number of 100m+ buildings under construction New York still isn't in the top spot; Toronto is. If one looks at 200m+ under construction, it's now wrestled top spot from Toronto.

If we're talking about the largest building boom, Toronto's is entering year 9 of its boom while New York's boom started 2 years ago. As you can see, it's not as cut and dry as some people make it out. Cherry picking years or heights never results in as accurate a summary than looking at it from many angles.
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One's conclusions largely depend on what criteria and time period one uses. By number of 100m+ buildings under construction New York still isn't in the top spot; Toronto is. If one looks at 200m+ under construction, it's now wrestled top spot from Toronto.

If we're talking about the largest building boom, Toronto's is entering year 9 of its boom while New York's boom started 2 years ago. As you can see, it's not as cut and dry as some people make it out. Cherry picking years or heights never results in as accurate a summary than looking at it from many angles.
Just curious, what is best source to accurately compare current construction in both Toronto and NYC of 100+ meter buildings?
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