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Old December 8th, 2014, 12:06 AM   #4621
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Old December 8th, 2014, 02:49 AM   #4622
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Just curious, what is best source to accurately compare current construction in both Toronto and NYC of 100+ meter buildings?
I go to SSP. It's more up to date than the others sites when it comes to Canadian and US cities. At the top of the home page click on 'Diagrams' then fill in the appropriate parameters. It will spit out exactly what you want. Using that resource one gets the following:


# of 100m+ Buildings Under Construction
Toronto (not including Mississauga) 55
New York 48

# of 100m+ Buildings Proposed
Toronto (not including Mississauga) 131
New York 94
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Old December 8th, 2014, 04:04 AM   #4623
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I included relevant suburbs/satellite cities for Toronto and NYC to get a finer picture of what's going on.

# of 100m+ U/C:

Toronto (including Mississauga and Vaughan): 60
New York (including Jersey City, Fort Lee, New Rochelle): 60

# of 100m+ Proposals:

Toronto: 137
NYC: 113

So indeed, Toronto seems to be edging out NYC for new 100m+ building construction today. But on a per capita basis Toronto wins no doubt, which is pretty impressive.

Of course, it's debatable how much suburban construction really matters when comparing cities. Like Jersey City should definitely be included, imo, because it's right across the Hudson River and part of the cityscape, but cities like New Rochelle or Vaughan are pretty removed, so I guess whether that's important is up to you.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 04:50 AM   #4624
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Old December 8th, 2014, 05:02 AM   #4625
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I go to SSP. It's more up to date than the others sites when it comes to Canadian and US cities. At the top of the home page click on 'Diagrams' then fill in the appropriate parameters. It will spit out exactly what you want. Using that resource one gets the following:


# of 100m+ Buildings Under Construction
Toronto (not including Mississauga) 55
New York 48

# of 100m+ Buildings Proposed
Toronto (not including Mississauga) 131
New York 94
Ah, cool. It is interesting to compare construction at different height ranges, it tells a story about the difference in the booms in the two cities. Toronto is really excelling in the 100m - 200m range, whereas NYC is excelling in the 200m+ range. Toronto has 113 proposals in the 100m to 200m range, insane! Anyway, numbers below:

# of 100m - 200m Buildings Under Construction
Toronto 47
New York 35

# of 100m - 200m Buildings Proposed
Toronto 113
New York 63
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# of 200m - 300m Buildings Under Construction
Toronto 8
New York 11

# of 200m - 300m Buildings Proposed
Toronto 17
New York 18
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# of 300m+ Buildings Under Construction
Toronto 0
New York 5

# of 300m+ Buildings Proposed
Toronto 1
New York 14
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Just for fun, comparison of two satellite cities:

# of 100m+ Buildings Under Construction
Mississauga (Toronto) 2
Jersey City (NYC) 9

# of 100m+ Buildings Proposed
Mississauga (Toronto) 6
Jersey City (NYC) 19
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Old December 8th, 2014, 07:39 AM   #4626
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Old December 8th, 2014, 02:05 PM   #4627
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Old December 8th, 2014, 05:17 PM   #4628
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Of course, it's debatable how much suburban construction really matters when comparing cities. Like Jersey City should definitely be included, imo, because it's right across the Hudson River and part of the cityscape, but cities like New Rochelle or Vaughan are pretty removed, so I guess whether that's important is up to you.
It was interesting to see those periphery areas added. I think Jersey City should be included as well. Vancouver is an extreme case of the numbers jumping significantly if one adds suburban development. Currently Burnaby (in Vancouver metro) is building more than Vancouver.
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Ah, cool. It is interesting to compare construction at different height ranges, it tells a story about the difference in the booms in the two cities. Toronto is really excelling in the 100m - 200m range, whereas NYC is excelling in the 200m+ range. Toronto has 113 proposals in the 100m to 200m range, insane!
Fun with numbers! I spent many hours over the last few years punching in different variables for cities around the world. After a while you develop a comprehensive summary of development. The level of activity in Toronto is actually down a little bit from 2011 if you can believe it.

One caveat: as with all resources I've come across the data for Chinese and Indian cities is far from accurate. Most of the rest seems to be good though.
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That is an extraordinary Calgary photo. The cluster is compact and the arrangement of height is harmonious from this vantage point. Watch out Toronto and Vancouver... Calgary is coming for you!
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Old December 8th, 2014, 11:44 PM   #4634
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That is an extraordinary Calgary photo. The cluster is compact and the arrangement of height is harmonious from this vantage point. Watch out Toronto and Vancouver... Calgary is coming for you!
We've got our sights clearly in our rear view mirror! Calgary's skyline has already passed Vancouver's by number of 100m+ buildings. It really is a city that just continues to boom decade after decade after decade.

Bring it on Cowtropolis!
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Calgary has come a long way in a short time; only one century. But I think it has a long way to go before it could ever match the density and complexity of Vancouver's skyline. Maybe some day there won't be such a plethora of downtown surface parking lots... but I don't think it is anywhere close to being there yet. Some 60 of the 72 head offices in Calgary are related to the oil industry (which is rather nervously watching the price of oil drop as world supply increases), and they seem to all have headquarters now. To me Calgary is clearly behind both Vancouver and Montreal at this point. :

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To the right "The Bow", recently compleated and Calgaries highest building as someone explained to me. I don't know if he was working up there or a local who just wanted to talk.


The Stampede Area up in the right corner. Obviously no Stampede those days ...


... so the city apperead to me quite empty for a Metropolis with over one million inhabitants. Se guy explained it with the large scale of Calgary. People drive into CBD to work and leave CBD after mostly by car. From the tower the view on endless parking ranges was incredible. And at some areas people use the "15 up (?)" System. Several skybridges connecting buildings in the CBD.

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Montreal and Vancouver are definitely denser and have a richer urban fabric, but Calgary is catching up on both fronts quickly. Calgary goes through down periods every time oil prices drop, but always comes back bigger and stronger than ever.

The big difference this time around is that Calgary is starting to build a significant downtown population. Some may not agree, but I think it's just a matter of time before Calgary's urbanity improves as the downtown population soars. It's a work in progress, but you can feel it happening.

Let's not forget, downtown Toronto was chalk full of parking lots not too long ago. With intensification and condos came more vibrancy. The same thing is playing out in Calgary and many other cities across the country. A great number of those Calgary parking lots will be gone in 10-15 years.
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The big difference this time around is that Calgary is starting to build a significant downtown population. Some may not agree.
I'm afraid I am one of the ones who respectively disagrees. I think of the biggest Canadian cities, Calgary is definitely the least urban and with the least residential development downtown.... and by a long chalk. Toronto may have had surface parking lots as well, but its an older and much more established city with a much broader economic base. It would be a very, very, very long time of no progress elsewhere and prolonged progress in Calgary to even begin to catch up to the built environment of Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal. That doesn't mean I don't like Calgary, but it does mean I don't think its skyline is in the same category yet as some others.
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Urban vibrancy and skyline are 2 entirely different matters though. I think the discussion here was initially about skyline solely and not about things like neighbourhoods, pedestrian traffic, retail, etc. By skyline, Calgary has already matched Vancouver and Montreal. By urban vibrancy, it has lots of work to do but is heading in the right direction.
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Well, each to their own but I also think a skyline cannot be critiqued solely by counting the number of buildings over 100m.. their is a richness and depth to be considered, too. In the same vein whenever people muse about whether Toronto may eclipse New York City today, I rationalise that it might, but not within the next century, and not unless current trends completely change. New York has a richness and texture in its skyline that newer cities would have a very difficult time beating! Again, just my 2 cents
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