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Old April 17th, 2008, 03:53 PM   #521
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Ideally, it would be nice if the military can move out of the central waterfront area and locate elsewhere.
It's the PLA headquarter in HK, so it probably will never happen.
Unless Beijing says the PLA HQ is moving or suggests to move it to somewhere, HKSAR's government has no right/power to say anything about this issue.
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Old April 18th, 2008, 11:10 PM   #522
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Great project.
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Old April 19th, 2008, 10:59 AM   #523
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actually it would be great if they can make a new wing for the city hall ...
by like frank gehry or zaha hadid ...
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Old April 21st, 2008, 01:18 PM   #524
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^ If they could use such a design for the new government HQ next door.
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Old May 5th, 2008, 04:33 AM   #525
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Planners face harbour rail, road rethink Ruling on reclamation accepted
4 May 2008
South China Morning Post

The government has announced it will not fight a court ruling that temporary reclamation is covered by a law protecting the harbour.

The Protection of the Harbour Ordinance bars reclamation unless there is overriding public need.

The government must now either demonstrate the temporary reclamation in Causeway Bay to build the Central-Wan Chai bypass meets that criterion, or come up with alternative plans for building it. The Sha Tin-Central rail link may also be delayed as a result of the ruling.

Experts say demonstrating an overriding public need for the work will require a fresh round of public consultation. That could take years, said one expert, Greg Wong Chak-yan - a former MTR tunnelling engineer and a government adviser on harbour developments.

A Transport and Housing Bureau spokesman said: "We respect the judgment of the Court of First Instance on the judicial review lodged by the Society for Protection of the Harbour. After careful consideration, we have decided not to appeal against the ruling.

"Having regard to the wider public interest, we shall implement the project as early as practicable and in accordance with the ruling."

A spokeswoman added: "In view of the court ruling, implementation of the cross-harbour section of the [MTR's] Sha Tin to Central link may be affected {hellip} the [MTR Corporation] will {hellip} investigate if there are alternative construction methods for the [cross-harbour rail tunnels]."

The court ruling concerns a plan to temporarily reclaim 10.7 hectares in and around the Causeway Bay typhoon shelter to facilitate construction of the bypass, due for completion in 2016.

A map prepared by the Society for the Protection of the Harbour, based on government plans for the bypass, shows two rail tunnels would run directly underneath the temporary reclamation and below a tunnel beneath the typhoon shelter through which the bypass would run.

It is because of this that completion of the HK$37 billion rail link, due in 2019, may be delayed.

Christine Loh Kung-wai, the chief executive of think-tank Civic Exchange, who is a member of the society, was critical of the government.

"If I were the chief executive I would want to look into this. The government ought to come clean on who is responsible for the decision [to base] two major infrastructure projects on a speculative notion that temporary reclamation is not reclamation in law," she said.

The society has called on Chief Executive Donald Tsang Yam-kuen to hold an official inquiry into the reasons for the delay to the bypass.

Dr Wong, the former MTR engineer, said: "They will probably look at the [bypass] design again to see if they can cut the amount of reclamation so as to show more clearly to the public that whatever they propose is the minimum reclamation."

Winston Chu Ka-shun, adviser to the society, said: "The society would want [the government] to demonstrate that the temporary reclamation is the minimum and there is no alternative."

He said it would accept public opinion if the government issued revised proposals that gained support in a public consultation.

Following the court ruling, issued on March 20, a Cheung Kong (Holdings) subsidiary which plans to build a hotel in North Point also sought a judicial review of the bypass plans.

It claims the government violated the harbour ordinance by failing to put up for public consultation a plan for a flyover to carry the bypass over the typhoon shelter, which would have required less reclamation than a tunnel.

Mr Chu said the government should include the flyover option in its revised proposals.
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Old May 5th, 2008, 05:03 AM   #526
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Winston Chu Ka-shun, adviser to the society, said: "The society would want [the government] to demonstrate that the temporary reclamation is the minimum and there is no alternative."

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It claims the government violated the harbour ordinance by failing to put up for public consultation a plan for a flyover to carry the bypass over the typhoon shelter, which would have required less reclamation than a tunnel.

Mr Chu said the government should include the flyover option in its revised proposals.
Is he nut? You are telling me you would rather extend Eastern Corridor over the Typhoon Shelter, put an eyesore across Causeway Bay shore, restrict people access or have activities under a bridge. So these people would want the Eastern Corridor nightmare expanded rather than reclaim some more land, put a tunnel below and turn the extra land into a park afterward which actually will improve quality of life. This is just nonsense.
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Old May 5th, 2008, 09:08 PM   #527
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Not the first time the Greens turn out to be a bunch of idiots.

I suppose I'm a bit biased, as I vehemently oppose any ridiculous groups whose views are so polarized against any certain issue. This tends to make the group behave in a way that justifies sacrificing everything else to secure their one objective as acceptable.
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Old May 8th, 2008, 09:46 AM   #528
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Harbourfront gardens to be torn up twice: activist
4 May 2008
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Landscaped gardens on the Central waterfront will have to be ripped up twice for construction of road and rail tunnels, a harbour activist has claimed.

Paul Zimmerman said he was told by engineers at the Central reclamation site that a tunnel for the western section of the Central-Wan Chai bypass that was to be built before the site was landscaped had been put on hold.

"They showed us the plans and they informed us that they are certainly not proceeding with any tunnel work for the Central-Wan Chai bypass or any tunnel work for the North Island Line," he said.

In the latest consultation documents for the proposed new MTR line, which will link the Tung Chung line to Fortress Hill station, the government had suggested the project would not be required until 2016, Mr Zimmerman said.

"But we would expect the landscaping work to be completed by around 2012 at the latest, with a target of 2011," he said. "So this would mean that the Central waterfront will remain a construction site for at least six more years than otherwise required.

"They are going to build all the gardens and the buildings on the surface and then, whenever they are ready, they will cut everything up twice to build the tunnels. To subject the Central business district unnecessarily to six years of dust and noise and loss of enjoyment of the waterfront is absurd."

Mr Zimmerman said the present plan would harm tourism, and called for work on the tunnel box for the bypass and the rail tunnel to start immediately.

The convenor of lobby group Designing Hong Kong, Mr Zimmerman visited the reclamation site last month as part of a delegation from the Harbourfront Enhancement Committee, of which he is a member, to view the works' progress.

Former MTR tunnelling engineer Greg Wong Chak-yan, also a member of the Harbourfront Enhancement Committee, said the bypass tunnel in the Central reclamation should be built on schedule because both the government and objectors wanted the road built as quickly as possible.

"If there is a public consensus, then why delay the road in the Central reclamation area?" he said.

"Why not build it as scheduled and cover it up and then you will have the park and the fountains and trees so that the public can enjoy it. It would also be cheaper to build the tunnel now."

A spokeswoman for the Transport and Housing Bureau said details of the North Island Line, and the effect its construction would have on the Central reclamation, would be assessed once the project got the go-ahead.
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Old May 10th, 2008, 03:44 AM   #529
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everything was planned to be built one after one in just a ten to fifteen years period.
these HEC people came in and said you can't do this, you can't do that, blah blah blah.
and now the land is partially formed, and they come in again saying you can't wipe the park out twice. WTF. so who's fault is that delaying the CWB and MTR tunnel project?

ok, you want the government goes ahead and build half the CWB. then how many years do that completed half have to sit before the other half can begin construction? no one knows. and if the first half is built, it has to be maintained while it is not being used. then these people are going to whine again why it was built at first. or if CWB never gets a green light (touch wood), the section will be buried forever and constructed for nothing.
fine, if you don't want the park to be closed off twice after opening, the government can just maintain the area as construction site, like WKCD, and choose to close off the whole area until everything is done. then these people are going to cry about why the site is closed off for public.

please, whining isn't something helpful and don't be so short sighted.
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Old May 10th, 2008, 04:57 AM   #530
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Sorry, but those people really are idiots. Very seldom have I ever heard "activists" say something sensible.
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Old May 11th, 2008, 12:29 AM   #531
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Finally got a chance to finish reading this report "Consolidation of Harbour-Front & Trunk Road Ideas: Trunk Road Alignments & Harbour-Front Enhancement" put together by Manusell Consultants Asia Ltd as requested by the Harbour Enhancement Committee in April 2006. You can find the complete on the HEC's website: http://www.harbourfront.org.hk/eng/c...rtTRA.html?s=2

Indeed it's a quite technical engineering report, but did the Harbour Enhancement Committee ("the activists") completely ignore this independent report paid by them which basically saying the government plan is the only possible alignment to build this Central-Wan Chai Bypass, a completely opposite point of view from HEC. At least, glad that HEC has made the opposite report available to the public, although it isn't the easiest thing to find in their website.

The report dated April 2006 completely answered all these new questions / comments coming up in the last few articles this year from different HEC members still about alternative bypass alignments, alternative bypass construction methods, alternative trunk road type (tunnel vs flyover), construction logistic etc etc.

Looking at 2-D from above, people probably think there must be more alternatives. But looking at 3-D, it is one heck of problem to put the bypass underground shallowly keeping it a feasible roadway horizontal and vertical alignment, then not disturbing the existing and future MTR tunnels, the existing Cross Harbour Tunnel, numerous number of deep building foundation, existing roadway network and temporary traffic management during construction. Plus what are the harbour-front enhancements can be done after the bypass construction with the extra reclaimed land.

If you are bored and have nothing better to do, the engineering report is quite a interesting reading. I did pick up some additional important information I didn't know before from it. I think the report is a fair review of the bypass alignment, but why these HEC people are still whining?
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Old June 18th, 2008, 08:32 AM   #532
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Superb update!!! The project is going along~~
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Old June 23rd, 2008, 07:40 PM   #537
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Seize the chance for a world-class waterfront
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Hong Kong citizens have been badly conned over the Central Harbourfront. First we were told that there was an "overriding public need" for a Central-Wan Chai bypass and the MTR Sha Tin-Central rail link. This necessitated reclamation work, which destroyed such well-loved landmarks as the Star Ferry and Queen's piers.

Then we were told the bypass would go underground, which raised the question: why was the reclamation needed at all?

Now we are told that neither the bypass nor the MTR's cross-harbour section will go ahead, at least not until after the reclamation and the new government complex at Tamar are complete. At that point, the whole area will be dug up again for the road and rail tunnels to go in - but only if the government wins yet another judicial review to stop the underpass. The only winner is the government, which gets its grandiose new headquarters at Tamar.

Leaving all that aside, and accepting the central reclamation for what it is, Hong Kong is now offered a historic opportunity: a green-field site on which to create a world-class harbourfront. What city would not relish this opportunity? What government would not make sure of an optimal outcome, whatever it takes?

Let us consider what others have achieved: HafenCity in Hamburg, Darling Harbour in Sydney, Fishermen's Wharf in San Francisco, Boat Quay in Singapore and Baltimore's revitalised Inner Harbour - these are enormously successful and hugely popular districts. By contrast, the latest proposals from our Planning Department are embarrassingly amateurish.

The current outline zoning plan dates from the mid-1990s. At that time, the concept of carefully creating a world-class waterfront did not even enter the mind of planners. The latest proposals stick to the format of large-building footprints, high-capacity roads and large open spaces. Yet, the government is not entirely to blame. Because of calls from many people for even more open space, the current plan shows vast sun-drenched plazas, much of it paved in the usual Hong Kong manner. Planners around the world know from bitter experience that large open spaces on the waterfront do not work.

Because of knee-jerk reactions from district councillors against any commercial activity, there will be a dearth of attractions to encourage activity and public use on the harbourfront. There seems to be a fear that developers will profit from what is perceived to be a public asset. To which the answer is that, all of the hugely successful schemes mentioned earlier integrate smaller open spaces, piazzas and promenades with a dense network of restaurant, retail and leisure activities, to spectacular effect. The way to ensure fair business opportunities is to create smaller buildings on smaller sites and to encourage competition, rather than concentration in the hands of large developers.

The word that sums up this situation is "shame". It's a shame we are wasting a unique opportunity. And shame on our leaders for allowing this to come to pass.

Sticking to an outline zoning plan that guarantees a bad outcome; unrealistic transport assumptions driving bad design; design by a process of "least political objection" and the lowest common denominators of what various government departments have been able to agree on; throwing up design options and then asking for feedback from all and sundry: these are some of the major shortcomings.

There is no magic solution. Each of the cities mentioned earlier came up with different approaches. But it seems to me that a large part of the solution is to take the whole exercise out of the hands of the Planning Department and into the hands of an independent authority. This should consist of professionals, specialists and community leaders, a body entrusted by the public to deliver the world-class harbourfront it deserves.

Markus Shaw is chairman of WWF Hong Kong
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Old June 24th, 2008, 05:32 PM   #538
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fantastic project.
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Cool pics.....this how a city have to grow.... fast and in order.......this city is a clear example.........i love it.....
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