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Old April 30th, 2005, 07:32 AM   #21
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hey what are the chances of having a gehry and foster in hk? i mean can we keep the foster canopy at WK, and still have all these art institutions littered around the bay? is it a matter of being able to support this much art? i mean why not, if we approach each outlet as a self sustaining real estate propped by office rent or sth. and you know a million and one museums and art institutions worldwide who are begging for a piece of hongkong action! ok this sounds like heresy. to sustain art on property business. oh, you hongkongers are so class la... in SG we are willing to even build guggenheim on gambling money.first mover status is at stake lalala.
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Old April 30th, 2005, 03:10 PM   #22
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The problem is which developer will win the bid, not how many museums will set up in Hong Kong. Interestingly, each consortium seems to have its own museum backing. Gehry's bid was a little different. They're proposing to build on Tamar, not West Kowloon.

It's unlikely that all the museums and art galleries will be built together. They'll just be creating too much competition amongst themselves.
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Old May 5th, 2005, 06:20 PM   #23
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Guggenheim May Paint Hong Kong With Red Ink: William Pesek Jr.

March 16 (Bloomberg) -- Asia's embrace of "Guggenheim economics'' hit a snag in Taiwan.

The city of Taichung rejected bankrolling a $250 million museum to replicate the success of Bilbao, Spain. It feared being shackled with debt issued to finance Guggenheim's first Asian outpost and that a $10 million annual budget would create a money pit. In December, Taichung voted no.

Far from being a cautionary tale, other Asian cities are still wooing the New York-based contemporary-art institution. For many, especially here in the greater China region, the specter of cloning Bilbao's boom is just too seductive.

Before September 1997, Bilbao was a downtrodden northern Spanish city. That changed after its Frank Gehry-designed postmodern complex opened, morphing Bilbao into a top European cultural attraction, boosting the economy.

The Bilbao model has strong appeal in Asia, which is warming up to an idea the West realized long ago. Cities can prosper by attracting creative industries -- architecture, art, music and publishing -- and establishing themselves as animated places to live.

That goal has cities like Guangzhou, Hong Kong, Macau, Shanghai and, until recently, Taichung looking to copy Bilbao's Guggenheim triumph. Competing museums looking for Asian beachheads to tap the world's most vibrant region are looking at Tokyo. Other Asian cities are stepping up economy-boosting cultural projects.

The 'Art Desert'

Is "Guggenheim economics'' really the way for Asia to go? Not if governments like Hong Kong's take short cuts and focus only on dollar signs.

"Asia is an art desert,'' says Tao Dong, Hong Kong-based chief Asia economist at Credit Suisse First Boston. "It probably has more stock exchanges than quality art museums.'' Yet, he says, "I hope Hong Kong builds the museum thinking about Guggenheim arts, not Guggenheim economics. If we think about money from the beginning, the project will fail.''

It's an important point in a city that's rarely afraid of using glitz as economic stimulus. In 2003, after SARS slammed the tourism industry, Hong Kong favored such gimmicks as paying musicians like Prince, the Rolling Stones and Carlos Santana millions of dollars to perform in a massive, taxpayer-funded publicity stunt.

The Cost

Still, while art and culture are outgrowths of economic progress, the opposite could be true in Asia.

"If this works out for Hong Kong and the museum is built (the city) will be working various segments of cultural market economics,'' says Ken Courtis, Goldman Sachs Group Inc.'s vice chairman in Asia.

Yet rather than retool its economy to integrate with low-cost China or brainstorm to develop new, forward-looking industries to create fresh jobs, officials here lobbied for Asia's second Disneyland.

One wonders how viable the Bilbao model will be in this city of 6.9 million. The steep price tag alone is reason for pause. Bilbao cost about $120 million to complete; Taiwan's project would have cost more than double. In all likelihood, Hong Kong's would cost even more, leaving the city with a heavy debt load.

It's also fair for Asia to question whether Bilbao was a one- off success. Gehry's fantastical, swirling structure is one of the most recognizable in the world. As Lonely Planet's Spain guide puts it, Bilbao's Guggenheim ``is perhaps even more remarkable for its architecture than its contents.'' Any Asian Guggenheim project would require a similar wow quality. Such one-upmanship could cost big.

Hong Kong's Problems

"Many of these cities think `this worked, we want a replica,''' Juan Ignacio Vidarte, director of the Bilbao Guggenheim, told Time magazine. "But replication doesn't work. There is a uniqueness of the situation. This is one of the reasons for this museum's success.''

Moreover, the way in which Hong Kong's Guggenheim project has been handled is a microcosm of this city's problems. Here are three examples.

One, the process is being carried out in a predictably non-transparent manner. Hong Kong plans to entrust the 40-hectare cultural complex to a single developer. It would be another example of the kind of collusion between tycoons and the government that damages this economy's competitiveness.

Two, Hong Kong seems keen on importing foreign artwork while neglecting the development of local talent. Aside from the Guggenheim, other big names from the art and entertainment worlds -- including France's Pompidou Center and Andrew Lloyd-Webber -- are looking at Hong Kong.

Debt Trap?

Yet Spain has homegrown masters like Goya, El Greco, Picasso and Velazquez to form viable permanent collections. This city might be wise to support Chinese artists and, while it's at it, build a better venue for the Hong Kong Philharmonic Orchestra. All this is not unlike how the city attracts overseas financiers but does little to boost incomes of locals.

Three, the government is ignoring public opinion. Many Hong Kongers have reservations about handing a blank check to rich property developers. Such shady dealings explain why few tears were shed last week when Chief Executive Tung Chee-hwa resigned.

"I would rather see Hong Kong spend this money on education and training so we can compete globally,'' says Stanley Li, a 47- year-old Hong Kong taxi diver. "Will a museum really help me and my family?''

Perhaps. Done right, it's possible Bilbao's success could be replicated here. Done hastily and with visions of profits over artistic merit, Hong Kong may be stepping into a debt trap. Sadly, the latter risk seems more likely.
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Old May 5th, 2005, 11:50 PM   #24
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incredibly misinformed and rather maligned "argument", coming from a bloomberg hack of course.
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Wrong forum. This isn't a highrise project.
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Old May 6th, 2005, 09:43 PM   #26
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but this is important news development WHAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!! put it back on the construction thread!
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Every city now wants to have one of those crumbled up structures.
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Old May 7th, 2005, 05:50 PM   #28
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The project looks amazing!
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