Warehouses

[Paul D]

Originally Posted by Gareth

I meant you've met the bloke in the pic, soft ollies.

it's Doug then.

[Gareth]

Originally Posted by Paul D

it's Doug then.

[Paul D]

Fuckin Hell mod delete these last few posts.

[Gareth]

Thicko.

[Scarecrow]

Its Shane McGowan. Ugly cunt. At least you captured his best side.

[Paul D]

Originally Posted by Gareth

Thicko.

I refute that claim on the grounds that I don't look at lads arses when they go the bar.

[Gareth]

I've been misinformed then.

[Paul D]

Originally Posted by Gareth

I've been misinformed then.

[liverpolitan]

[Pietari]

Originally Posted by liverpolitan

These types of buildings could easily form some sort of whole - with entrances from various directions and linking into some sort of atrium with developments above linking the new with the old.

A win win situation.

I do remember being taken through a warren of interconnecting corridors between a few `Wood Street` and other clubs many years ago.

[liverpolitan]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1845-ENTIRE-FA...QQcmdZViewItem

It's not mine (I don't sell things on e-bay) but a very interesting item.

[liverpolitan]

[woody]

Originally Posted by liverpolitan

Poli, excellent series of photos of a part of town that I for one have not visited for a very long time. As much as I would like to see someof these fine old warehouses renovated, is this the area that Windsor has in its sights for wholesale re-newal as part of the Baltic Triangle masterplan ?

[liverpolitan]

Woody, I cannot remember where they are. There are some lovely ones around Norfolk, Watkinson and Jordan Streets, which I suppose might be close to the Baltic scheme? I haven't seen the masterplan, have you got a link to it? I'd like to see it. I am going to go on another trip to that ares as soon as possible, and will try to remember street names better.

Given that there is a vast amount of unused and under-used land in and around the city centre, literally acres of it, it would be criminal to destroy one single good Georgian or Victorian or Edwardian warehouse. There should be a masterplan that ensures that any regeneration in that area specifically incorporates as much as can be saved, including just fascias where the structure is effectively a shell.

It's not just the grand set-piece warehouses that matter, there are little gems, some in clusters, that need to be saved. There are relatively few of them left, and they are all precious, in my opinion - there should be none of this "some of them" - the presumption of the area masterplan should be to integrate all of them into new development proposals. I am very annoyed to read on this thread that they want to destroy a perfectly good building on the Dock Road, on the pretence that it is unsound. All around are swathes of empty and barely used land.

[liverpolitan]

Just look at those lovely oval windows, they have the original iron gratings in them. You can just imagine those as the bathroom windows in a conversion, or perhaps letting light in on the communal staircase



Ropewalks wouldn't be what it is becoming without a real density of preserved buildings. I think the streets around the main L8 warehouse clusters could one day look like this, but obviously a bit grander since a lot of them are bigger than the remaining old premises around Duke / Wood / Seel streets.

[woody]

Poli, the streets that you named are in the Baltic Triangle. Perhaps I shouldn`t have called it a MASTERPLAN, Windsor along with other building owners would like to rebuild almost all the Baltic Triangle. Todate we have several sites up and running at the town end (around the Baltic Fleet ) and others like Rice Mill and a massive apartment scheme ( see post 178 on the BT thread ) in with the planners.

If Windsor and others do get approval for these schemes, it won`t be long before this warehouse area down to norton scrap yard is looked at ,as fair game for more apartments.

Although Windsor would like to demolish the Greenburg Building, they are also renovating existing structures, that would augar well for some of the more interesting buildings in the area that you have been recording.

[woody]

[QUOTE=liverpolitan]
It's not just the grand set-piece warehouses that matter, there are little gems, some in clusters, that need to be saved. There are relatively few of them left, and they are all precious, in my opinion - there should be none of this "some of them" - the presumption of the area masterplan should be to integrate all of them into new development proposals. QUOTE]

Poli, I put my comments badly, when I said some, I was refering to some of the more recent additions that have little or no architectural merit.
These should go and the big or little gems incorporated into future developments.

[liverpolitan]

Originally Posted by woody

Poli, the streets that you named are in the Baltic Triangle. Perhaps I shouldn`t have called it a MASTERPLAN, Windsor along with other building owners would like to rebuild almost all the Baltic Triangle. Todate we have several sites up and running at the town end (around the Baltic Fleet ) and others like Rice Mill and a massive apartment scheme ( see post 178 on the BT thread ) in with the planners.

If Windsor and others do get approval for these schemes, it won`t be long before this warehouse area down to norton scrap yard is looked at ,as fair game for more apartments.

Although Windsor would like to demolish the Greenburg Building, they are also renovating existing structures, that would augar well for some of the more interesting buildings in the area that you have been recording.

I was shocked to realise Greenburg's had closed down - didnt it used to be a shop that sold work uniforms and stuff? I never went in there, but it is a grand building. I am like a scratched record here, but developers need to be protected from themselves. They can add value by retaining character, history and authenticity in an area they are regenerating. Yes, it might cost a bit more to refurbish and sometimes it can be awkward, (compared to demolition and new building) but in the long-term the development and the surrounding modern buildings will surely have greater value? Well I could be wrong, it's just a supposition really. I come back to the point that there are too many empty lots being used for car parking or next to nothing to justify destroying quality old buildings of character.

Do you remember the gasps of horror when Dave posted up a picture of Lime Street taken from I think the steps of St George's Hall - showing what was there before St John's Precinct? Or the consternation expressed when people (including me) realised that where the sports shed is in Williamson Square was an really attractive building of character? At the time it is always justified on the grounds that "the developer will walk away". It's not true. We have to save the heritage as well as build anew. Liverpool is unique in having a lot to save without this having to be at the cost of regeneration - there are literally hundreds of sites to develop around the old buildings. It just needs a clear planning framework to make that happen.

[liverpolitan]

[QUOTE=woody]

Originally Posted by liverpolitan

It's not just the grand set-piece warehouses that matter, there are little gems, some in clusters, that need to be saved. There are relatively few of them left, and they are all precious, in my opinion - there should be none of this "some of them" - the presumption of the area masterplan should be to integrate all of them into new development proposals. QUOTE]

Poli, I put my comments badly, when I said some, I was refering to some of the more recent additions that have little or no architectural merit.
These should go and the big or little gems incorporated into future developments.

Oh that's good, I was a bit concerned.

[woody]

Originally Posted by liverpolitan

I was shocked to realise Greenburg's had closed down
- Do you remember the gasps of horror when Dave posted up a picture of Lime Street taken from I think the steps of St George's Hall - showing what was there before St John's Precinct? .

The Green burg building is a very fine building, but will be isolated by new build on all sides, Windsors plan for a 18 storey (?) tower was savaged by the planners and it is now back on the drawing board.
I agree with you that the Baltic Triangle could and should become a grander version of Ropewalks. Old and new side by side has worked very well, and should be replicated in the Baltic.

No gasps from me re: that Lime Street picture as I remember that area and the old market before St Johns was built The neon display was marvellous,just a pity we have lost the art (or will) to make building fun. Feature lighting of our heritage buildings is brilliant, but some areas of town should have a bit of jazzy neon splashed on their facades.