RIJEKA - construction update

[SinCity]

Originally Posted by OettingerCroat

1) what are the SERIOUS chances that a tramway system will be put into Rijeka?
2) what are the SERIOUS chances for Split?
3) how soon will Osijek SERIOUSLY get some new lines AND/OR trams?
4) How soon will Zagreb's DAYTIME tramway system SERIOUSLY be completely retrofitted with the new 2200 trams?

1) 50% - because there was once tramways in this city and the new TMK2200 will be pushed as an alternative public transport model. The only thing against it is the traffic conditions in Rijeka city centre. It will be restricted to the flat parts of Rijeka and there is the problem of narrow twisted streets to contend with.

2) 50% - same reason as with Rijeka

3) 100% - Existing tram network in Osijek requires expansion and upgrade of vehicles and routes. The city budget will play a major part as to when this will be done.

4) Zagreb will get 70 complete sets of trams over the next 3 years which will replace around 1/3 of vehicles (I'm guessing). There will continue to be upgrades regularly to the rest of the fleet after that along with new lines.

[bubach_hlubach]

Originally Posted by OettingerCroat

ne, ja sam zbilja mislio "gradi" ne "sagradi."

ja mislim da "gradi" znaci da se sada ovaj trenutak gradi, kao "danas se gradi," a sagradi znaci kao, "da se jednog dana sagradi"

Mozes slobodno reci 'da se gradi', ali konkretno u ovom slucaju 'sagradi' ili 'izgradi' zvuci bolje

Hrvatski mi je mozda 95% posto pravilan (je li "pravilan" srpska rijec ili hrvatska? jeli "tocan" hrvatski? ista stvar kao licna karta i osobna karta)

Hrvatski ti je naprotiv jako jako dobar, rekao bih da ti je pravilan 99 posto
'Pravilan' se koristi u Hrvatskoj, a mislim da se ista rijec koristi i u Srbiji.
'Tocan' 'Tocno' 'Tocna' je hrvatska rijec, Srbi kazu 'tacan' 'tacna' 'tacno'.
Izraz 'licna karta' se je koristio u bivsoj Jugoslaviji, danas samo u Srbiji, a mozda i u Bosni, iako nisam ziher za Bosnu. U Hrvatskoj se to zove osobna iskaznica

Speaking of "je li," I KNEW it would have been "je li," not "jeli"! i speak croatian at home, and we all talk so fast, that it just comes out as "jeli" i also thought "laka" was incorrect, so by instinct i put down "lagana"

'Laka' i 'lagana' imaju slicno, ali i ne nuzno potpuno uvijek isto znacenje. Sve ovisi u kojem kontekstu ih rabis, za to moras imati njuh i uho

Napr. Laka zenska je ona koju se da lako nagovoriti na one 'zloceste' stvari.
Dok lagana zenska bi bila ona koja ima manjak kila lol

[SinCity]

Preko Rijeke i oprema za Olimpijske igre 2008.
Prednost riječke luke pred konkurencijom, Koprom, Trstom i Venecijom, ponajprije je u tome što iz Kine do Rijeke brod plovi 24 dana, dok u Kopar stiže najmanje dan kasnije.

RIJEKA – Riječka bi luka, kako se moglo ovih dana čuti u razgovorima kineskih i hrvatskih gospodarstvenika, mogla postati glavna europska luka za kinesku robu.

Od 60.000 kontejnera, koliko ih je kroz riječku luku prošlo u 2004., trećina je, njih 20.000, došla iz Kine. Riječ je uglavnom o robi za zemlje bivše Jugoslavije, ponajprije za Srbiju i Crnu Goru, ali i za Mađarsku i Slovačku. Poslovni odnosi između riječke luke i Kine uspostavljeni su davne 1969., a uspješno su obnovljeni prije dvije godine kad su jaki svjetski kontejnerski operateri uključili Rijeku u redovite brodske linije s Japanom, Južnom Korejom i Kinom.
Prednost riječke luke pred konkurencijom, Koprom, Trstom i Venecijom, ponajprije je u tome što iz Kine do Rijeke brod plovi 24 dana, dok u Kopar stiže najmanje dan kasnije jer prethodno iskrcava robu u Rijeci. Također, Rijeka je u prednosti i pred sjevernoeuropskim lukama, primjerice pred Hamburgom i Rotterdamom, jer do njih treba ploviti još najmanje pet dana. S obzirom na to da dan plovidbe košta brodara oko 20.000 kuna, ta je ušteda i te kako važna.

Riječka luka posljednjih je godina modernizirana pa sada pruža tehničke usluge na svjetskoj razini, a cijenom je vrlo konkurentna. Sve to govori da riječka luka ima izglede postati vodećom u ovom dijelu Europe za dalekoistočnu robu, prije svega za kinesku, a tek onda korejsku, koja bi tek trebala pristizati u većim količinama, što je korejski Samsung obećao prije nekoliko godina kad je u riječkom lučkom bazenu instalirao svoju prekrcajnu opremu.

Trenutačno preko Rijeke iz Južne Koreje dolazi određena količina uglavnom tehničke robe, a očekuje se da će preko naše najveće luke doći i oprema za gradnju tvornica tvrtki KIA i Hundai u Istočnoj Europi.

Otkako je Slovenija članica Europske unije, preko Rijeke je iz Kopra preusmjerena gotovo sva kineska roba za Srbiju i Crnu Goru, koja je sada samo u tranzitu kroz Hrvatsku. Za gradnju distribucijskog centra kineske robe za Istočnu Europu na Kukuljanovu nedaleko od Rijeke zanimanje su odavno pokazale mnoge susjedne nam zemlje, posebice Mađarska.

Riječka se luka u minule dvije godine pokazala kao kvalitetan partner za prihvat kineske robe, a njeno poslovodstvo računa da će se preko Rijeke za Kinu otpremati i veće količine europske opreme za gradnju sportskih borilišta na kojima će se održati Olimpijada 2008.

O tome će se možda već ovih dana na Sajmu transporta u Münchenu čelnici riječke luke dogovoriti s kineskim poslovnim partnerima. Naime, najveći dio opreme za Olimpijadu Kinezi su već kupili u Europi, ponajviše u Njemačkoj. S obzirom na to da politika nerijetko utire put trgovačkim odnosima, posjet hrvatskog premijera Ive Sanadera Kini ohrabrujući je za cjelokupnu hrvatsku privredu, posebice za riječku luku koja s Kinom surađuje gotovo 35 godina.
Kad se, na primjer, kaže da je Rijeka povezana s jednom kineskom lukom, onda treba imati na umu da je na tu luku vezana neka od tamošnjih pokrajina s pedesetak milijuna stanovnika. Tako su u riječkoj luci boravili predstavnici kineskoga lučkoga grada Shenzena, udaljenog 30-ak kilometara od Hong Konga, koji na godinu ostvari promet od 60 milijuna tona tereta i više od pet milijuna kontejnera.

To govori o snazi poslovnih partnera riječke luke. Luka Rijeka u prvih pet mjeseci ove godine ostvarila je promet od 30.000 kontejnera, što je gotovo 10.000 više nego lani u istom razdoblju, pa sada računa na godišnji promet veći od 70.000 kontejnera.

[SinCity]

I'm actually impressed with the Port of Rijeka, considering its fast becoming one of Europe's major ports, even ahead of Rotterdam and Hamburg.

[OettingerCroat]

ehhh, thats a very optimistic statement, no matter how much i love croatia... if you dont mind (im requesting a lot lately, and i thank you for answering ) could you rank europe's ports in order of importance at 2010?

[Sarajka]

^ You can apply for the summer Olympics. Sarajevo gives you permission. We want the Winter Olympics, so real competition like the cities of Croatia cannot participate in those bids.

Browsing through the thread, great stuff by the way! Rijeka is gorgeous.

[SinCity]

Thanks Mila!

[bubach_hlubach]

[bubach_hlubach]

Mike, if you are around...you could tell us what is the current GDP PPP of the city of Rijeka

p.s. I know

[Sarajka]

^ Awww...and you Croatians are just as wonderful. I should know, I married one.

You know...I did met one Croatian idiot in Dubrovnik. And even he was complimentary. I was at a cafe, and he approached.

- You're from Bosnia aren't you?
"Yes, how'd you know?"
- The accent. And you said Selam to that girl.
"Hehehe...(what the hell do you want face)"
- So you're Muslim then?
"(A little defensive) Yes, why?"
- No reason, we don't get enough beautiful girls down here from the Sandzak these days.

...? Sarajevo, Sandzak, SiCG? Ookay...

[mic of Orion]

Originally Posted by bubach_hlubach

Mike, if you are around...you could tell us what is the current GDP PPP of the city of Rijeka

p.s. I know

Bubach, whatever someone says about PPP, (I hate this term, lol) PPP for Rijeka is the same as for Croatia I am afraid it goes with the terminology cose of the standardisation of economic principle or better know as common denominator.

It would be great if you could say Rijeka is better than Osijek, or Zadar, but this is not the case in any of the cities, (yes common denominators, lol) But hey look o a bright side, if some bozo in Croatia (newsperson -journalist) decided to say Rijeka has highest PPP in Croatia you'd know he is f***g twat and knows nothing, lol....

[bubach_hlubach]

Originally Posted by mic of Orion

Bubach, whatever someone says about PPP, (I hate this term, lol) PPP for Rijeka is the same as for Croatia I am afraid it goes with the terminology cose of the standardisation of economic principle or better know as common denominator.

It would be great if you could say Rijeka is better than Osijek, or Zadar, but this is not the case in any of the cities, (yes common denominators, lol) But hey look o a bright side, if some bozo in Croatia (newsperson -journalist) decided to say Rijeka has highest PPP in Croatia you'd know he is f***g twat and knows nothing, lol....

Okay, lets forget PPP figures then since they irritate you so much and i dont like them either. And lets talk about a nominal GDP or productivity per head. What do you think the GDP of Rijeka might be ?

[mic of Orion]

Originally Posted by bubach_hlubach

Okay, lets forget PPP figures then since they irritate you so much and i dont like them either. And lets talk about a nominal GDP or productivity per head. What do you think the GDP of Rijeka might be ?

Is it greater Rijeka? ( I estimate population 250 000) if this is the case, 12 800US$ PHA if 225 000 than 14 220 US$, cose GDP is 3.200 million US$.

[bubach_hlubach]

Originally Posted by mic of Orion

Is it greater Rijeka? ( I estimate population 250 000) if this is the case, 12 800US$ PHA if 225 000 than 14 220 US$, cose GDP is 3.200 million US$.

Eh, does greater Rijeka also include Opatija? Because Opatija itself only has a frickin high GDP lol but it dont matter anyway. You got the correct info on the GDP again - I've read Rijeka reached $13 200

How about Istria, what is their GDP if you happen to know it? (As far as i know it should be either like Zagreb or even higher)

[mic of Orion]

Originally Posted by bubach_hlubach

Eh, does greater Rijeka also include Opatija? Because Opatija itself only has a frickin high GDP lol but it dont matter anyway. You got the correct info on the GDP again - I've read Rijeka reached $13 200

How about Istria, what is their GDP if you happen to know it? (As far as i know it should be either like Zagreb or even higher)

No it is way lower, only 11 000US$ they only produce output of 2.200 million US$ with population of 200 000. Rijeka is much wealthier than Istria, Zagreb is wealthiest. Sorry to disappoint you :-(

[bubach_hlubach]

Originally Posted by mic of Orion

No it is way lower, only 11 000US$ they only produce output of 2.200 million US$ with population of 200 000. Rijeka is much wealthier than Istria, Zagreb is wealthiest. Sorry to disappoint you :-(

Oh come on, why would i be disappointed cuz of that

But i do think you might be very wrong about Istria.
Istria makes around 2.2 billion dollars only from tourism. What about some other huge companies and shipyards like Uljanik (which is btw one of the most profitable shipyards in Croatia so far), then Rovinj Tabbaco Factory, Digitron from Buje, and many many others small and medium sized companies even from continental Istria that export a lot of goods.

[mic of Orion]

Originally Posted by bubach_hlubach

Oh come on, why would i be disappointed cuz of that

But i do think you might be very wrong about Istria.
Istria makes around 2.2 billion dollars only from tourism. What about some other huge companies and shipyards like Uljanik (which is btw one of the most profitable shipyards in Croatia so far), then Rovinj Tabbaco Factory, Digitron from Buje, and many many others small and medium sized companies even from continental Istria that export a lot of goods.

Well GDP is not as simple as that to calculate, it is way complex process to simplify to you here, but trust me it is only 2.2 Bn US$, I wouldn't lie to you pr made thinks up, I would love it to be over 5$BN but it is not.

[SinCity]

Originally Posted by Sarajka

^ Awww...and you Croatians are just as wonderful. I should know, I married one.

You know...I did met one Croatian idiot in Dubrovnik. And even he was complimentary. I was at a cafe, and he approached.

- You're from Bosnia aren't you?
"Yes, how'd you know?"
- The accent. And you said Selam to that girl.
"Hehehe...(what the hell do you want face)"
- So you're Muslim then?
"(A little defensive) Yes, why?"
- No reason, we don't get enough beautiful girls down here from the Sandzak these days.

...? Sarajevo, Sandzak, SiCG? Ookay...

I'm glad you enjoy your visits to Croatia, even at the hands of yokels like the one above LOL.

[bubach_hlubach]

Originally Posted by mic of Orion

Well GDP is not as simple as that to calculate, it is way complex process to simplify to you here, but trust me it is only 2.2 Bn US$, I wouldn't lie to you pr made thinks up, I would love it to be over 5$BN but it is not.

I would love it to be $50Bn, but hell yeah..it is not! lol

Take a look at this



Istria (2004) - population = 200.000
- exports = 920 million US Dollars

Zagreb (2004) - population = 800.000
- exports = 3.5 billion US Dollars

Here I didnt add aditional 2 billion USD that Istria earns from tourism per year.

[SinCity]

Bubach, that will make your "Istrian" friend happy.