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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:25 AM   #181
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A wise man once said "I may never be able to knock down this wall, but I'm going to take out a brick if I have to pry it out with my fingers".
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:26 AM   #182
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A wise man once said "I may never be able to knock down this wall, but I'm going to take out a brick if I have to pry it out with my fingers".
Hey whats the name of the wise man? Is it George Bush?
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:28 AM   #183
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Not only do you have to change the supply side of it... but also the demand. The consumers have to change their tastes and their ways.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:28 AM   #184
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He's no-one famous, unless he ripped it off from someone else. The fact that he wasn't famous, however, doesn't mean he wasn't wise.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:40 AM   #185
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Not only do you have to change the supply side of it... but also the demand. The consumers have to change their tastes and their ways.
Trust me when I say that I'm aware of that. Once again, I think you presume that you know more about me than you do. I most certainly believe that there needs to be big changes on both sides of the Pacific. My problem is when anyone who dares to criticize China is automatically derided by a plethora of Chinese nationalists as a pawn of George Bush, and then people on this forum take their words as those of all Chinese, when in reality their voice is only so prevalent because those in their country who disagree with them aren't allowed to speak up for themselves.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:50 AM   #186
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Trust me when I say that I'm aware of that. Once again, I think you presume that you know more about me than you do. I most certainly believe that there needs to be big changes on both sides of the Pacific. My problem is when anyone who dares to criticize China is automatically derided by a plethora of Chinese nationalists as a pawn of George Bush, and then people on this forum take their words as those of all Chinese, when in reality their voice is only so prevalent because those in their country who disagree with them aren't allowed to speak up for themselves.
This website is free to access from anywhere. And most of forumers are oversea chinese because of english skill.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:56 AM   #187
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There sure aren't a lot of dispossessed Chinese peasants cruising these forums though, that's for sure. The vast majority of those who reach the level of English proficiency needed to participate on this forum didn't spend their childhoods tilling fields or their adulthoods sewing garments and working construction in the PRC.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:00 AM   #188
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There sure aren't a lot of dispossessed Chinese peasants cruising these forums though, that's for sure.
This world is not your imagination.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:02 AM   #189
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"So long as people have no basis of comparison, they'll never know they're oppressed."
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:03 AM   #190
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Trust me when I say that I'm aware of that. Once again, I think you presume that you know more about me than you do. I most certainly believe that there needs to be big changes on both sides of the Pacific. My problem is when anyone who dares to criticize China is automatically derided by a plethora of Chinese nationalists as a pawn of George Bush, and then people on this forum take their words as those of all Chinese, when in reality their voice is only so prevalent because those in their country who disagree with them aren't allowed to speak up for themselves.
Funny thing is... is that I think you think you know more than anyone else. Especially from your previous posts... and some hypocracy involved.

Many people, in many countries, including the US, aren't allowed to speak for themselves.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:06 AM   #191
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Funny thing is... is that I think you think you know more than anyone else. Especially from your previous posts... and some hypocracy involved.

Many people, in many countries, including the US, aren't allowed to speak for themselves.
Once again, where did I say the U.S. was a model to look up to?
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:07 AM   #192
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"So long as people have no basis of comparison, they'll never know they're oppressed."
If you are really care about others, please do something about 47% of India kids who are mulnutrutioned. Otherwise you are just another hypocritic person who are jealose of China's achievement.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:08 AM   #193
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^ It's just a country that many can relate to... is all. That and the US always gloats about their "freedom of speech" and etc.
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^ It's just a country that many can relate to... is all. That and the US always gloats about their "freedom of speech" and etc.
No, that is indeed clashman relate to.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:10 AM   #195
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If you are really care about others, please do something about 47% of India kids who are mulnutrutioned. Otherwise you are just another hypocritic person who are jealose of China's achievement.
Or Darfur... that seems to be a popular current event... but most gov'ts aren't doing anythign about it. Just like Rwanda and etc.
But India is good too. Or any country where there are poor (which is every country.)
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:11 AM   #196
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No, that is indeed clashman relate to.
Yea, the "^" were meant for clashman... you just posted a little earlier than me.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:15 AM   #197
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If you are really care about others, please do something about 47% of India kids who are mulnutrutioned. Otherwise you are just another hypocritic person who are jealose of China's achievement.
If you really care about China you would be willing to engage in a serious discussion of it's shortcomings rather than attack everyone who brings them up and trying to divert attention to the shortcomings of India and the U.S.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:17 AM   #198
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^ It's just a country that many can relate to... is all. That and the US always gloats about their "freedom of speech" and etc.
Once again, George Bush doesn't speak for me. When W and Rumsfield try to divert attention from torture and Abu Ghraib by saying how terrible "them terrorists" are, it is the same thing as what wigo is doing with respect to China's problems. Both are wrong, and shouldn't be accepted blindly. Or at all, for that matter.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:18 AM   #199
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If you really care about China you would be willing to engage in a serious discussion of it's shortcomings rather than attack everyone who brings them up and trying to divert attention to the shortcomings of India and the U.S.
For China, the most important issue is economic development. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS????
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^ How do you know he doesn't? Maybe he gives to charity? Or the poor in his community?
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