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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:18 AM   #201
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Yeah, I do care about China and its miracle of moving thousands and more people out of poverty to the middle class like removing dirt from a plate
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:19 AM   #202
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Once again, George Bush doesn't speak for me. When W and Rumsfield try to divert attention from torture and Abu Ghraib by saying how terrible them terrorists are.
So what is the point of being democracy?
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:20 AM   #203
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For China, the most important issue is economic development. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS????
Why should you get to decide what is best for China?
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:20 AM   #204
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Why should you get to decide what is best for China?
Then why should you decide?
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:21 AM   #205
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Once again, George Bush doesn't speak for me. When W and Rumsfield try to divert attention from torture and Abu Ghraib by saying how terrible "them terrorists" are, it is the same thing as what wigo is doing with respect to China's problems. Both are wrong, and shouldn't be accepted blindly. Or at all, for that matter.
I am not accepting anything blindly... I have my own opinions and I make up my own mind.

So Clashman... what have you done to help the chinese people? Or any other people? Or those in your community?
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:21 AM   #206
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I never said I should.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:23 AM   #207
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I am not accepting anything blindly... I have my own opinions and I make up my own mind.

So Clashman... what have you done to help the chinese people? Or any other people? Or those in your community?
I don't trust this guy, he is apparently one of many people who are sleepless by China's miracle and pray for China's collpase every day.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:24 AM   #208
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Why should you get to decide what is best for China?
because I would work really hard to bring economic wealth to China. We get to decide if we do what we promise, unlike some hipocratic one
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:25 AM   #209
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I never said I should.
Then go away, clear?
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:27 AM   #210
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I am not accepting anything blindly... I have my own opinions and I make up my own mind.

So Clashman... what have you done to help the chinese people? Or any other people? Or those in your community?
I've raised money for people to illegally defy the sanctions on Iraq by delivering medical supplies to hospitals before the war. I've worked to get Western pharmecutical companies to drop their lawsuits against the government of South Africa for a provision in their constitution that allowed them to generically produce AIDS drugs their population couldn't afford to buy on their own.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:29 AM   #211
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Then go away, clear?
It's a free internet, at least for now. You are just as free to leave as I am.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:32 AM   #212
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It's a free internet, at least for now. You are just as free to leave as I am.
You should not decide for China as you said. So what is your point?
I am here also but I am not interested in US politics.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:32 AM   #213
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So what is the point of being democracy?
While I understand the point you're trying to make, that isn't quite true. In democracy there is such a thing called "loyal opposition". Which means the minority side (whichever loses) has to constructively critisize and suggest how things should be.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:33 AM   #214
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It's a free internet, at least for now. You are just as free to leave as I am.
Hey Clashman only post if you have any updates on the Three Gorges Dam. ok. Anything else should be debate on Skybar, the topic doesn't say " China in your opinion".
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:33 AM   #215
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You should not decide for China as you said. So what is your point?
I am here also but I am not interested in US politics.
My point is that "National Interests" aren't for any one person to decide on their own. I thought I made that clear earlier.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:35 AM   #216
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My point is that "National Interests" aren't for any one person to decide on their own. I thought I made that clear earlier.
Do you really think that China's gov't can function if most of people oppose it?
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:38 AM   #217
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Hey Clashman only post if you have any updates on the Three Gorges Dam. ok. Anything else should be debate on Skybar, the topic doesn't say " China in your opinion".
If you are all willing to do the same, and if discussion of 3 Gorges can also include criticism and disagreement with the ways and methods in which it is being constructed without people resorting to deriding all of those criticisms as U.S. propaganda, then sure.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:39 AM   #218
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Do you really think that China's gov't can function if most of people oppose it?
Yeah. Most governments in this world "function" without the consent of most of their people. China is no exception in this regard.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:40 AM   #219
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My point is that "National Interests" aren't for any one person to decide on their own. I thought I made that clear earlier.
i don't think you have any point, all your arguments are fantasies of a perfect
world in which eveyone loves everyone else and smokes dope everyday and
have orgies. you are a troll, no doubt about it.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 06:43 AM   #220
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Yeah. Most governments in this world "function" without the consent of most people. China is no exception in this regard.
By your definition, Singapore is another example, which was under Lee's reign for 30 years. But I do know Singaporean are happy with their gov't. So why do you even care?

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