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Old July 5th, 2005, 12:25 AM   #41
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Ugh, hopefully it won't cause a disaster.
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Old July 5th, 2005, 12:45 AM   #42
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People are protesting this project for one of three main reasons:

1 - Over 2 million people are being re-located by force, including some villages that have been in the same spot virtually untouched by civilization and technology for thousands of years. And the housing that they are building for these people is considered a "step down" in quality at best.

2 - The Three Gorges is not only naturally beautiful, but it's a huge tourist draw. And now it's going to be underwater.

3 - The reservoir the dam is creating just might be the most polluted body of water on earth, because not only are they not clearing out man-made infrastructure, they're dumping all kinds of raw industrial waste and toxins into it like it's a giant sewer. The reservoir has just begun to fill up and even by its own government standards, it's polluted... badly.

BONUS 4 - This dam is 600 feet tall and a mile wide. And during construction they've found massive cracks in it. God forbid if this dam ever failed it would make previous Yangtze floods look like a picnic.


** I'm not saying I agree with these arguments and that the pros outweigh the cons, I just thought I'd put these up for people to think about.
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Old July 5th, 2005, 12:45 AM   #43
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Tell that to the 200,000 + people who were killed when those dams burst.
I'd like to tell you who are going to be killed in the next car accident when you're walking on the street.
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Old July 5th, 2005, 05:11 PM   #44
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Tell that to the 200,000 + people who were killed when those dams burst.
wow, are you a terrorist? can you tell me how to get a nuclear bomb and how to fix it in the dam?
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Old July 5th, 2005, 06:33 PM   #45
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have to wonder if some of you get the news when we see such big denials
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Old July 5th, 2005, 07:42 PM   #46
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I would like to see a sattellite photo of before the dam was built and then after the dam was built - does anybody have one ?
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Old July 6th, 2005, 03:58 AM   #47
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wow, are you a terrorist? can you tell me how to get a nuclear bomb and how to fix it in the dam?
Wow, I think I'll spend some time to clarify all this. I don't think you guys got what I was saying. I'm saying this project is a disaster waiting to happen because it is built in an earthquake zone. I was making reference to the Shimantan and Banqiao dam disasters. Those dams were poorly run and burst. The ensuing flash flood killed over 200,000 people.

The point I was making is that sure it will prevent flooding in that area which hurt a few thousand people, but because it is built in a unstable area when it bursts many more people will die. It's history repeating itself.
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Old July 6th, 2005, 04:00 AM   #48
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Pure lies.
So you actually believe that nationalist propaganda. Wow you are naive.
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Old July 6th, 2005, 06:40 AM   #49
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So you actually believe that nationalist propaganda. Wow you are naive.
I believe the truth, your dumb.

BTW, you should first tell those americans living in the washington state, that grand coulee dam is built in the earthquake prone western coast of america. They are doomed. Run, run for their lives, LOL liar.
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Old July 6th, 2005, 06:47 AM   #50
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Damn I wonder what'll be the consequence if the damn burst under pressure or a foreign power decide to bomb it.
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Old July 6th, 2005, 10:46 AM   #51
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Wow, I think I'll spend some time to clarify all this. I don't think you guys got what I was saying. I'm saying this project is a disaster waiting to happen because it is built in an earthquake zone. I was making reference to the Shimantan and Banqiao dam disasters. Those dams were poorly run and burst. The ensuing flash flood killed over 200,000 people.

The point I was making is that sure it will prevent flooding in that area which hurt a few thousand people, but because it is built in a unstable area when it bursts many more people will die. It's history repeating itself.
you are wrong, Yangtse river is very big and china lost more than 2000 people and over 120 billion US dollars because of the big flood in 1998. if the dam break down that is a big problem, but comparer with US Russia or Chinese nuclear weapon depository that is nothing. by the way, who tell you that area is unstable, in fact Yangtse river cut off that mountain area so we can see three gorge now, that area must not changed by earthquake millions years, experts worried about the big reservoir can change this or not.

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Old July 6th, 2005, 10:53 AM   #52
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Damn I wonder what'll be the consequence if the damn burst under pressure or a foreign power decide to bomb it.
maybe no country decide bomb it only terrorist want do that. bomb it must use nuclear bomb and use advanced ICBM. there only few country has that ability. but if do that, Chinese army must retaliate it and use their ICBM and load nuclear bomb. no one want see and accept that.
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Old July 6th, 2005, 08:52 PM   #53
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This project is amazing!
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Old July 6th, 2005, 11:34 PM   #54
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So you actually believe that nationalist propaganda. Wow you are naive.
The truth probably falls somewhere in between the ignorance of the Western media and the state-run Chinese news agencies. Yes people are being relocated, but it's probably not as horrible as the West would have you believe. Yes large cracks have been found in the dam during construction, but I'm pretty sure no one has ever built a concrete dam without a few. As far as the water quality goes, even CCTV reported that the reservoir water was failing inspections for cleanliness, so that I tend to believe.

@ Haber - I'd be willing to bet the Three Gorges won't suffer the same fate as the two dams you mentioned back in the 60s. Beijing knows the TGD is a symbol of national pride, and also that failure of the dam would be a nightmare of epic proportions not only envioronmentally but politically.

@ metallinestorm - I believe the '98 flood cost the government somewhere between $20 and $30 Billion U.S. dollars, which is why the cost of the dam was easily justified.
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Old July 6th, 2005, 11:44 PM   #55
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I believe the truth, your dumb.

BTW, you should first tell those americans living in the washington state, that grand coulee dam is built in the earthquake prone western coast of america. They are doomed. Run, run for their lives, LOL liar.
Well yea but this damn is way bigger and is sitting on a fault
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Old July 7th, 2005, 04:24 AM   #56
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@ metallinestorm - I believe the '98 flood cost the government somewhere between $20 and $30 Billion U.S. dollars, which is why the cost of the dam was easily justified.
$30 billion? the data i say come from Discovery not Chinese media. In fact, many people said may more than that, China media said we used nearly all Chinese soldier and resource near the Yangtse river to protect big cities. Wuhan,Nanjing,Shanghai are right but many other area in Hubei Jiangxi Jiangsu Zhejiang in big trouble, only Zhejiang Jiangsu and Shanghai ( jiangzhe area)GDP is about $250 billion in that year, now is about $400 billion if use PPP that is much much bigger, according to Weat media may $1200 billion, over 1/5 of China, add Wuhan and other provinces it may 1/3 of China, so China need a great dam.
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Old July 8th, 2005, 08:26 AM   #58
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looks imposing, but the dam looks kinda crude. hopefully later construction would change that. the idea that the dam would burst is pure b.s. though. the last thing they would do is a shroudy construction job on a dam that they have been boasting about for years.

i find it hard to trust both the biased views that western media have on china and china's own claims about events within its borders. i really wish that we can get unbiased, non-exaggerated information on what positive/negative impact does this project have on the chinese people. but i guess that'll be hard to come by as china and the u.s. escalate their fight against each other for economic dominance.
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i find it hard to trust both the biased views that western media have on china and china's own claims about events within its borders. i really wish that we can get unbiased, non-exaggerated information on what positive/negative impact does this project have on the chinese people. but i guess that'll be hard to come by as china and the u.s. escalate their fight against each other for economic dominance.
I fully agree.
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Old July 10th, 2005, 03:16 PM   #60
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looks imposing, but the dam looks kinda crude. hopefully later construction would change that. the idea that the dam would burst is pure b.s. though. the last thing they would do is a shroudy construction job on a dam that they have been boasting about for years.

i find it hard to trust both the biased views that western media have on china and china's own claims about events within its borders. i really wish that we can get unbiased, non-exaggerated information on what positive/negative impact does this project have on the chinese people. but i guess that'll be hard to come by as china and the u.s. escalate their fight against each other for economic dominance.
in fact, this bigget one still underconstruction, many work need do, we can just see a rudiment now.
IMO, everyone has his own view about this project, that is my right. goverment and media do many things persuade some people change his view so they can do their works and make money. IMO china need hear scientists' advice and do more work for a bare possibility, chinese must prepare for disaster which may never happen, others has no business.
i thanks all people care about chinese but many people just know this dam's negative side. It's a cost china need pay, we need a dam to make sure Yangtse river not destroy the cities towns and villages near it year by year.

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