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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:04 AM   #161
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What Chinese invasion did Vietnam fight do you have any facts to this.
Beginning in 1979, I believe, and continuing throughout the 1980's and perhaps even a bit into the 90's, China engaged in a secret border war with Vietnam, in part because Vietnam had allied itself more with Russia and not so much with China, who the Vietnamese have been resisting for over a thousand years. It is not formally acknowledged by either government, but thousands, if not 10's of thousands, were killed. It is generally presumed that Vietnam "won" the war.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:05 AM   #162
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No, people working for 500 yuan a month working 14 hours in unsafe factories are not being treated "fine". They are being used as fodder to line a few people's pockets and to create cheap junk for others to consume.
At least China does not use black slaves.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:05 AM   #163
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No, people working for 500 yuan a month working 14 hours in unsafe factories are not being treated "fine". They are being used as fodder to line a few people's pockets and to create cheap junk for others to consume.
Are you gonna stand up and help those people or just against it your whole life
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:06 AM   #164
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I don't think you know enough about me to make any presumptions of what I do with my life.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:06 AM   #165
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Beginning in 1979, I believe, and continuing throughout the 1980's and perhaps even a bit into the 90's, China engaged in a secret border war with Vietnam, in part because Vietnam had allied itself more with Russia and not so much with China, who the Vietnamese have been resisting for over a thousand years. It is not formally acknowledged by either government, but thousands, if not 10's of thousands, were killed. It is generally presumed that Vietnam "won" the war.
LMAO, Western media
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:06 AM   #166
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At least China does not use black slaves.
How do you know I'm not black? And what makes you think I don't criticize the U.S. as well?
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:08 AM   #167
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnam_War
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:08 AM   #168
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LMAO, Western media
As opposed to those paragons of objectivity, the Eastern media?
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:09 AM   #169
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How do you know I'm not black? And what makes you think I don't criticize the U.S. as well?
does it matter?
Bad thing happens in every country, but at least China is not like India, where 47% children are malnutrional. How many times do I have to say this?
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:09 AM   #170
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How do you know I'm not black? And what makes you think I don't criticize the U.S. as well?
you're just saying stuff from your perspective without any experience living in China, Vietnam or any other communist country. People aren't rich in Vietnam but they're mostly happy with what they have (not every single 1). If you think money can buy you everything then this is not where you go to express your opinion. OK, all agree?
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:11 AM   #171
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I most certainly do have experience in China.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:12 AM   #172
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does it matter?
Bad thing happens in every country, but at least China is not like India, where 47% children are malnutrional. How many times do I have to say this?
Why is the only choice between being China or India? Or the United States? Or Europe?
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:15 AM   #173
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you're just saying stuff from your perspective without any experience living in China, Vietnam or any other communist country.
No, you are just trying to pigeonhole me into a neat little racist stereotype of where you think I come from and what you think I do, say, and believe.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:16 AM   #174
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No, you are just trying to pigeonhole me into a neat little racist stereotype of where you think I come from and what you think I do, say, and believe.
Ok, where do you come from?
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:17 AM   #175
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Why is the only choice between being China or India? Or the United States? Or Europe?
Because China and India are both poor countries. And please name a particular country, which was poor 50 years, but gets rich by sticking to "western democracy". (HK, TW, S Korea and Singapore are just opposite.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS? )

As for US and Europe, how did they get rich in the first place and when democracy was finally achieved (I mean without any racial discramination). Don't forget slavary and colonism...........
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:18 AM   #176
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No, people working for 500 yuan a month working 14 hours in unsafe factories are not being treated "fine". They are being used as fodder to line a few people's pockets and to create cheap junk for others to consume.
Everyone who buys clothing from China supports that... understand? If there is demand... there is supply. Simple economics.
Not saying its right... just saying how it is.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:19 AM   #177
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What does it matter? Humanity is worldwide. I don't confine myself to borders, and I don't think you should confine your thinking to such a narrow caricature of people's opinions being soley represented by their governments.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:22 AM   #178
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Everyone who buys clothing from China supports that... understand? If there is demand... there is supply. Simple economics.
Not saying its right... just saying how it is.
I'm sorry, but economics isn't quite that simple. There isn't a real way to escape it, short of living in the mountains in Canada, and that isn't a viable way to create any sort of change if you are really, truly concerned with the way people both in other parts of the world or your own are treated. Isolating yourself from the world doesn't change anything.
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:23 AM   #179
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What does it matter? Humanity is worldwide. I don't confine myself to borders, and I don't think you should confine your thinking to such a narrow caricature of people's opinions being soley represented by their governments.
They don't but that's the way it is for hundred of years. Are you going to be the one to change their fate, Mr. hero or is it Clashman
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Old May 7th, 2006, 05:24 AM   #180
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I was explaining the simple theory of supply and demand. And there is demand, especially in the US... look at the huge defecit the US has with China. So of course there will be supply.

Want to do osmething about it? Educate, boycott, etc. Here is a start: http://www.adbusters.org/home/

BTW, I am not isolating myself from anything... I am just saying how it is...
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