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Old December 15th, 2006, 07:29 AM   #61
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Does anyone know which "nuevo design" condo project was shelved because of this purchase?
This is the project you are talking about. Which by the way is EXTREMELY out of scale! It would be nice to have a building this tall, but not so close to the Floridan.
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Old December 15th, 2006, 08:57 AM   #62
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has anyone ever been to the flat iron building in nyc? any project that adds density to the area would fit in.... JUST BECUASE HISTORY CANNOT TOP PRESEBNT, DOES NOT MEAN IT DOES NOT FIT IN.
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Old December 15th, 2006, 07:03 PM   #63
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Arbel never applied for the zoning change, they only had conceptual plans as they had never built a high rise.
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Old December 16th, 2006, 07:43 AM   #64
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It looks like the building if it were to scale would have been about 700 feet. Which, I think is great and that we need to start building a new area of highrises and not clustering them in a six block radius. I pity the fool who said to demolish all of Tampas old hotels and bank buildings because I think that our skyline would be double what it is now.
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Old December 16th, 2006, 02:32 PM   #65
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I pity the fool who said to demolish all of Tampas old hotels and bank buildings because I think that our skyline would be double what it is now.

It wouldn't be double, not even close, but it would be more dense in Northern Downtown and a lot nicer as far as quality of arcitechture, diversity and maybe pride.
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Old December 16th, 2006, 07:33 PM   #66
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Look, the buildings were demoed because paying taxes on an empty building with no breaks and no means of making money off of it while waiting to redevelop it is not a logical business practice. You can thank Sandy Freedman and the City Council (mostly the democrats - a fact, not a dig - the Republicans promote silly growth, the democrats tend to hinder growth) for that past practice. IT is has been made a bit better recently.
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It still boggles the mind that such buildings were totally worthless in a city that was growing as much as Tampa was.
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Old December 16th, 2006, 09:24 PM   #68
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It's like I read recently when someone described the BRT efforts on both sides of the bay: It's like Tampa Bay has to try to re-invent the wheel with things instead of just using what's there.

That's transit, though. This is development and yet I get the same feeling. What we have is never good enough for the developers, and yet what is put in place doesn't always make up for what was lost.

I'm just glad the Floridan kept standing instead of being demolished for a 47 story parking tower or something :p
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Old December 18th, 2006, 06:31 PM   #69
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It's like I read recently when someone described the BRT efforts on both sides of the bay: It's like Tampa Bay has to try to re-invent the wheel with things instead of just using what's there.

That's transit, though. This is development and yet I get the same feeling. What we have is never good enough for the developers, and yet what is put in place doesn't always make up for what was lost.

I'm just glad the Floridan kept standing instead of being demolished for a 47 story parking tower or something :p
Maybe they will building the 47 story parking tower next door or something!
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Old December 19th, 2006, 04:48 PM   #70
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Or maybe a 60 story statue of Jeb Bush. I think that they could possiblity put a hotel up next to the Floridan.
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Old December 20th, 2006, 01:33 AM   #71
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It boggles my mind that of all the beautiful old hotels which once graced down town the only one to remain will be the Floridian. Least inspiring in terms or architecture or amenities the only thing it had going for it was, height. A drab brown monolith that has set vacant for nearly 20 years now. Personally of all the old tourist palaces of the 1920's the Tampa Terrace was my favorite.


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Title: [Tampa Terrace Hotel : Tampa, Florida] [graphic]
Publication info: Not before 1924.
Physical descrip: 1 photoprint : b&w ; 5 x 4 in.



Title: [Hotel Floridan : Tampa, Florida] [graphic]
Publication info: Not before 1930.
Physical descrip: 1 photoprint b&w 5 x 7 in.
Series Title: (Louise Frisbie collection)
General Note: Built in 1920s.



Title: [De Soto Hotel : Tampa, Florida] [graphic]
Publication info: 1922.
Physical descrip: 1 photoprint b&w 8 x 10 in.





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:Sigh:....it's almost painful to look.
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Some of these were really, really beautiful.
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Old December 20th, 2006, 05:45 AM   #74
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Some of these were really, really beautiful.
Definitely. Had the Tampa Terrace have been saved and not turned into a parking lot this could easily have been a centerpiece of down town. Updated, renovated and integrated into the modern community a hotel of this sort would have paid homage to Tampa's roots. Its a miracle other signifigant cultural landmarks such as the Kress Building and the Tampa Theater have managed to survive.



Food for thought, or perhaps just a juxtaposition to current trends. Its interesting to see just how well developed Tampa was becoming prior to the heights of urban sprawl.



Title: [Panoramic view from city hall : Tampa, Florida] [graphic]
Publication info: 1924.
Physical descrip: 1 photoprint b&w 10 x 8 in.
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General Note: This is part 5 of 6 numbered Rc20702-20707, sn:18401-18406.
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Old December 20th, 2006, 06:43 AM   #75
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Also notice the Mass Transit system in effect back in the 20's.
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Yep, a trolley system which spanned Port Tampa to Ballast Point and as far north as Sulfur Springs. Truely impressive, and some how it was all ripped out and paved over in 1949 to improve transit for suburbs.
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some very cool pics
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Yep, a trolley system which spanned Port Tampa to Ballast Point and as far north as Sulfur Springs. Truely impressive, and some how it was all ripped out and paved over in 1949 to improve transit for suburbs.
I believe a line went to West Tampa too
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Old December 20th, 2006, 04:49 PM   #79
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One of these days when I have the ever elusive free time I need to dig through the historical archives and see if I can find a map of the trolley system. It would be awesome to see where the various stops and transit stations were located. I grew up with stories from my grandparents of catching the trolley at Ballast Point and taking it down town to the Tampa Theater and such for a nickel.
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Wow. Its criminal to have destroyed these gems! Luckily the Floridan is getting a new life.

A couple others still exist although not in downtown.

1. The Bayshore Royal Hotel is still there. Now a condo building where Ceviche is. Howard and Bayshore.

2. The Castle looking building below the Hotel Biscayne still exists. I know I have seen it.

Postcard from the Mirasol Hotel on Bayshore:
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http://www.cardcow.com/45272/hotel-m...florida-tampa/

I was looking through some of the vintage post cards from Tampa. Shame we lost all these great buildings.

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