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Old November 16th, 2005, 03:23 AM   #301
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This dude really rising fast!!!

thanks for an update
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Old November 16th, 2005, 03:26 AM   #302
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From this ...old crammped Headquarters....




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Old November 16th, 2005, 05:27 AM   #303
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How many weeks does it take for an X (2 floors) to be assembled?? Its almost half done, its rising quick. I counted about 11 X's, theres one hiding on the bottom. There are 26 in all. Anyone wanna make an estimate on when itll top out? Im anxious to see some glass.
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Old November 16th, 2005, 09:08 AM   #304
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From my observations, I notice that it takes about 1.5 weeks to complete one X level (2 floors). With 11 X's completed and 15 more to go, figure topping out to be 5 months from now or middle of April 2006.

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Old November 20th, 2005, 07:01 AM   #305
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I was in the area, so I took a couple of shots.





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Old November 20th, 2005, 02:22 PM   #306
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The works is going very fast. I like the desing of this tower, is fantastic.
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Old November 20th, 2005, 03:06 PM   #307
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I love buildings with a steel skeleton.
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Old November 20th, 2005, 05:16 PM   #308
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Nice to see so many updates, thanks Carlos and Pan It always fascinates me how fast the NYC-towers rise compared to the few highrises over here
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Old November 20th, 2005, 05:54 PM   #309
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first time i check this thread and waaaaaah
it's already quite tall
i didn't know it's a steel structure honestly
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Old November 22nd, 2005, 05:40 AM   #310
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Floor Area Ratio (FAR) restrictions

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Its really shooting up. Its nice to see real progress being made.

I think the design would be better with a taller building of the same design and no spire. The shorter building with no spire would look okay but stunted, but with a taller building it would look good without the spire.

Fits NY great. But the cheating spire is still quite annoying.
You have to remember that NYC zoning establishes a maximum floor area ratio (FAR) for a particular location, which limits the height of a building on that site.

From the NYC Dept of City Planning website:
"Floor Area Ratio" (FAR) is the total floor area on a zoning lot divided by the lot area of that zoning lot. For example, a building containing 20,000 square feet of floor area on a zoning lot of 10,000 square feet has a floor area ratio of 2.0.
It appears from a quick Google search that the base FAR zoning for the Times building site is 15.0. There are various ways that a developer can increase that figure, by including certain design features and/or by purchasing air rights from other sites.

In midtown Manhattan, naturally a developer wants to put up the largest building possible (in terms of rentable floor area). What this means in practice is that on a particular site either a shorter fatter building or a taller skinnier one can be built, but in either case there will be a legal limit (as opposed to a technological or economic limit) as to how big the building can be.

There's a lot of discussion about this issue in the book "High Rise: How 1,000 Men and Women Worked Around the Clock for Five Years and Lost $200 Million Building a Skyscraper" by Jerry Adler. This is worth a read for anyone interested in skyscrapers. It's the story of the Bertelsmann Building in Times Square, from conception thru completion. I think it's out of print, but my local library had a copy.

A spire is not rentable floor space, so isn't affected by FAR restrictions. Neither is space below grade, interestingly, which is why they spent a year blasting four substreet floors out of Manhattan bedrock for the Bertelsmann Building (this space is now home to the Virgin Records megastore).
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Old November 22nd, 2005, 08:24 PM   #311
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Nice update, as always!
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Old November 22nd, 2005, 08:27 PM   #312
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wow, growing well already. Nice update
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Old November 25th, 2005, 12:56 AM   #313
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WOW how time flies!!!

2001





NOW !!!!same location...






2004 !!!!







currently...same spot !!


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Old December 2nd, 2005, 12:32 AM   #314
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wow, it is getting huge now. Area changed a lot!
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It's gorgeous!

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Old December 2nd, 2005, 07:14 AM   #316
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Old December 2nd, 2005, 07:21 AM   #317
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All of NY buildings are still constructed with steel?
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Old December 2nd, 2005, 10:39 AM   #318
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Diode
You have to remember that NYC zoning establishes a maximum floor area ratio (FAR) for a particular location, which limits the height of a building on that site.

From the NYC Dept of City Planning website:
"Floor Area Ratio" (FAR) is the total floor area on a zoning lot divided by the lot area of that zoning lot. For example, a building containing 20,000 square feet of floor area on a zoning lot of 10,000 square feet has a floor area ratio of 2.0.
It appears from a quick Google search that the base FAR zoning for the Times building site is 15.0. There are various ways that a developer can increase that figure, by including certain design features and/or by purchasing air rights from other sites.

In midtown Manhattan, naturally a developer wants to put up the largest building possible (in terms of rentable floor area). What this means in practice is that on a particular site either a shorter fatter building or a taller skinnier one can be built, but in either case there will be a legal limit (as opposed to a technological or economic limit) as to how big the building can be.

There's a lot of discussion about this issue in the book "High Rise: How 1,000 Men and Women Worked Around the Clock for Five Years and Lost $200 Million Building a Skyscraper" by Jerry Adler. This is worth a read for anyone interested in skyscrapers. It's the story of the Bertelsmann Building in Times Square, from conception thru completion. I think it's out of print, but my local library had a copy.

A spire is not rentable floor space, so isn't affected by FAR restrictions. Neither is space below grade, interestingly, which is why they spent a year blasting four substreet floors out of Manhattan bedrock for the Bertelsmann Building (this space is now home to the Virgin Records megastore).
Thank you for that insight, I wasn't aware of the limits. I still obviously think it would look better the other way, but its very understandable. I still don't like the spire, and its a bit cheesy that it is .1m shorter than the Chryler (I know its because of honor or whatever, and it would be worst if it surpassed it, but come on...just shorten the spire)
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Old December 3rd, 2005, 11:30 AM   #319
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All of NY buildings are still constructed with steel?

no, some are 100% concrete, others like Time Warner Center are a combination of both!
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Old December 3rd, 2005, 01:32 PM   #320
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Looks sleek, when will it be finished
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