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Old April 28th, 2005, 04:53 PM   #1
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new trams in Zagreb, Croatia

First tram is going to operate in may, and since 2007 there will be 70 new trams on the streets of Zagreb .

Tram is made by croatian factory ''Djuro Djakovic'' Slavonski Brod



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Konzorcij Crotram jučer je u Končaru predstavio javnosti prvi od 70 niskopodnih tramvaja u kojem će se građani moći voziti od 27. svibnja. Preostalih 69 tramvaja bit će isporučeno do svibnja 2007. godine, po tri tramvaja mjesečno. Grad će za taj zajednički projekt konzorciju isplatiti 824 milijuna kuna.
Klimatizirani tramvaj
Konzorcij Crotram čine Končar, TŽV Gredelj i "Đuro Đaković" koji su osmislili i sastavili cijeli projekt.

Tramvaj je zglobni, sastavljen od pet modula, zavarene čelične konstrukcije s tri pogonska postolja.

Glavna je značajka tramvaja TMK 2200 to što je niskopodni (nema stuba), čime je uvelike olakšan pristup osobama s teškoćama u kretanju te je omogućena brža izmjena putnika. Usto, motor je smješten iznad putnika, a vozno postolje bez klasične osovine između kotača.

Najveća brzina tramvaja je 70 km/h. Novost je potpuno klimatiziran putnički i vozački prostor, s ergonomski oblikovanim sjedalicama. Tramvaj je dugačak 32 metra, a u njega će stati čak 202 putnika od kojih će 48 moći sjediti.

Upravljanje tramvajem izvedeno je umreženim sustavom od 43 računala koja su zajedno s programskom podrškom proizvedena u Končaru.

Videonadzor
U tramvaj je ugrađen videonadzor putničkog i vozačkog prostora, a ugrađene su i vanjske kamere umjesto retrovizora.

Čelni ljudi konzorcija željeli su posebno istaknuti to da je novi tramvaj hrvatsko rješenje. Rezultat je to ulaganja u razvoj tvrtki koje čine konzorcij, u vanjsko i unutarnje oblikovanje tramvaja te svakodnevne suradnje sa ZET-om.

Udio hrvatske industrije u prvom tramvaju veći je od 60 posto, a kod ostalih taj će se postotak povećati iznad 70 posto. Samo pet zemalja u Europi ima mogućnost izrade takvog niskopodnog tramvaja, a nekoliko je zemalja pokazalo zanimanje za uvoz.

Danas je igrom slučaja u promotivnu vožnju poletio i "airbus 380", pa uspoređujemo li prema nekim kriterijima, ovaj projekt za Hrvatsku znači ono što "airbus" znači za europsku petnaestoricu izjavio je Darinko Bago, predsjednik uprave Končar-Elektroindustrije d.d.
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Old April 28th, 2005, 05:53 PM   #2
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Old April 28th, 2005, 06:51 PM   #3
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Old April 28th, 2005, 07:04 PM   #4
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70 is just first batch of trams, it is likely over 150 TMK2200 be built for ZET (Zagreb Electric Trams), 10 for each line. 70 will only replace oldest trams on streets of Zagreb, which where built over 40 years ago, all imported trams from Czech republic will be sold or scraped by the end of 2007, 17 TMK2100 (domestically manufactures 3 section trams) and 35 German trams imported in late 80's will remain in service sometimes till 2010. It is likely than all TMK 2100 will switch to night service and German trams might remain in use as circumstances demand. It is likely final number of TMK 2200 in service with ZET might well be over 200 trams, and if ZET plans to construct 3 more tram lines with in next 5-10 year period comes to fruition than number of tram in service might as well increase substantially. ZET is likely to donate all of its Tatra Trams (45-50 in service) also imported in mid 80's to Belgrade after refurbishment and improvements (at least this is what has been mentioned). Older Tatra Trams (2 car trams) will be scraped and never to ce the light of a day, lol.

TMK 2200 Being fited out





Photos curtsey of Bubach


TMK will most probably grace streets of Osijek - 32 trams most likely to be the ordered (4 tram lines, 7+1 tram per line). If Croatian Government help in financing new tram infrastructure in Cities of Rijeka, Split, Varazdin, Zadar, Dubrovnik and Pula it is most likely boys at Cro-Tram consortium will have plenty of work for some time.

Sofia has expressed of procuring 100+ TMK 2200 (new trams) and few other cities in Europe and USA are also interested for this tram, as tram has design features which could be accustomed to each customer - many practical designs and variable gauge system can be employed. Cro-Tram consortium is on of only 5 manufactures of low-floor trams in Europe and only 8 manufactures exit in the world today.

Tram costs only 2.1 million to manufacture and on the street, if Exported tram price will not exceed 2.25 million US$ FOB. For guidance Simmens low floor tram is 3.75 - 4.25 million US$, Skoda - 2.95 - 3.25 million (they only built 4 so far and had loads of problems - all are out of service as a result), Alstom - 3.35 - 3.85 million US$, Bombardier - 3.55 - 3.85 million US$ and so on.

Current trams on streest of Zagreb...


TMK 2100 stats, Lenght 27.4m Width: 2.2m Max speed 58km, capacity: 44 seating and 120 standing. No in service with ZET: 17.




German Trams - forgot the name and type, sorry... No in service with ZET: 35



Old Czech Tatra trams - 80+ in service will be withdrawn from service by the end of 2007.



Old Croatian made trams (in 50's and 60's) - will no longer be service by the end on this year.



Tatra T4YU tramcar - 45-50 in service - after refurbishment most likely to be donated - either Belgrade or any other city which would want them
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Old April 28th, 2005, 07:13 PM   #5
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you doubleposted images.
anyway if you are giving us any trams then do it with TMK 2100 not those crappy ones. Anyway I think it's not gonna happen because Belgrade announced it will buy new trams. If it happens-great! we can build one more line.
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Old April 28th, 2005, 07:20 PM   #6
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anyway if you are giving us any trams then do it with TMK 2100 not those crappy ones. Anyway I think it's not gonna happen because Belgrade announced it will buy new trams. If it happens-great! we can build one more line.


I guess than no to Tatras , TMK 2100 - to few where built to be viable - production ended in 2003, (spare parts and so on would be just to prohibitive).
But TMK 2200 can be exported if Belgrade has interest I'm sure you'll be more than welcomed to buy some of this trams, but when I say donated I mean the Tatras are already being refurbished, and donation means they are free, nothing to pay, only cost of transport from Zagreb to Belgrade (well half costs). And they are in excellent condition, most trams in ZAT service are in excellent condition as you can ce from photos, no matter how old, ppl at ZET like to keep them top-notch as they say.
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Old April 28th, 2005, 07:26 PM   #7
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Look at that duct tape on the dashboard.. lol

What can I say, typical Croatian ingenuity
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Old April 28th, 2005, 07:27 PM   #8
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I know but Belgrade already has those Czech trams and they were refurbished (as much as you can refurbish a can) last year.

I doubt Belgrade will buy low floor trams. In Zagreb they are a city symol, the most important public traffic vehicle while in Belgrade they have no special meaning to anyone.
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Old April 28th, 2005, 07:49 PM   #9
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Look at that duct tape on the dashboard.. lol

What can I say, typical Croatian ingenuity

pics are not of complete fully operational trams, pics where taken by one of Croatian forumers (bubach) and are about 3-4 days old. Yesterday they had public lunch of the tram, but it want be ins service for another 3 weeks...
By August about 15 tram should be in full service and by the end of 2005 - about 25 trams in full active service.

Sorry to hear that Sigi, I thought Low Floor is a sort of trend in tram design these days.
Hey I think you can still order TMK2100 - Koncar who manufactured them - will be glad to restart the production, at 1.8 million US$ are somewhat cheaper than TMK2200.

But if you change your mind Tatra's are still on offer I guess. but you can always get some German or who knows French trams. they are also nice and relatively cheep.
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well I have no idea what will they buy but they plan to spend 120mil. euros including new gauges. And I know Zagreb has spent more but again remember the 2 Arena junctions costed less then one Zagreb crossroad.


anyway I am not really into trams so I am wondering what is inside those big roofs? Is it just the swap so in old trams you had tall floors and small roof and now it's the opposite?
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Those trams look sweet.
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Old April 28th, 2005, 08:15 PM   #12
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well I have no idea what will they buy but they plan to spend 120mil. euros including new gauges. And I know Zagreb has spent more but again remember the 2 Arena junctions costed less then one Zagreb crossroad.


anyway I am not really into trams so I am wondering what is inside those big roofs? Is it just the swap so in old trams you had tall floors and small roof and now it's the opposite?


they are called low-floor trams cose of low floors, meaning nothing underneath, as all vehicles needs engines so do trams, and in this trams engine is based in a roof section all along the trams length, as well as air-condition, power nodules and electricity supply and so on. On old trams power supply was underneath the floor.
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thanks. I thought all of that was in the back, like at buses. Good to hear they will be airconditioned!
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very impressive looking, I know from experience that trams are a godsend in both Zagreb and Belgrade. Only problem being the crushing that occurs in them each morning
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Very smart looking trams in quite a fine color I might add
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New trams look futuristic and spacious. I like them.
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Quote:
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Look at that duct tape on the dashboard.. lol

What can I say, typical Croatian ingenuity
That is because they bought buttons with Chinese symbols and thus
they needed a quick translation, hahahahaha. JEBIGA
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Well, Tatra trams has more new models. And it seems that Croatia trams will be maybe soon a competition.

Still, nice trams, I rather like them.
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Great tram from Croatia. I like him.

Bravo Croatia.
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Tatra T4YU tramcar - which where specifically built for City of Zagreb, where quagmire of technical problems, from the day they entered service to this day they had always something wrong with them, at any time only 45-50% of this trams are in active service, primarily cose they require substantial technical support, which not only takes valuble time from extensive fleet of trams with in ZET service (484 trams), but also cost money and time. ZET ppl came with ingenious idea, why bother using Czech spare parts when Croatian ones are much better and cheaper.

Tatra T4YU tramcar - donation awaits anyone who wants them


As a result many Czech components in the tram and parts have been replaced with better quality Croatian ones, Boogies to. Current Czech trams in ZET service are less Czech and more Croatian, but result of all this frustration ZET had decided to prematurely buy used German Trams in 1989-1991 - some 35 new trams where than purchased at price of just over 5million US$ for all 35.

When older 2 car Tatra trams started to show problems in late 90's ZET had to turn to Koncar and in 2000 first new trams where delivered to ZET (TMK 2100). Now entire fleet of Tatra T4YU tramcar - are being refurbished and will be offered to interested parties as an donation. They are better than Czech ones and would require less support as a result, and Koncar and Gradelj in Zagreb could always support the trams if problems arise and dispatch there engineers and spare parts as circumstances demand. Lesson for ZET is, never again will they buy Tatra trams, and at 1.4 million
- how much they paid for Tatra T4YU tramcar way back in 1984-8 thought to be a great deal, only to be disappointed with quality and durability of this trams.

Crappy Tatra trams - will be scraped by the years end


Even today Skoda low floor trams are at standstill cose of there techical problems, don't know about Tatra trams today but if they are anything what ZET had, I think you are welcomed to it.

New Trams built by Cro-Tram consortium is primarily built for ZET needs in long term about 200 of this trams will enter service with ZET and most probably with Osijek and other Croatian cities once they get tram infrastructure sorted. If any exports do happened than it would be a bonus for Cro-tram consortium, at 2.25 million US$ they are much cheaper than the competition and are same or better quality.

German trams - entered service with ZET in 1989 and have proven to be great trams, might soldier on till 2010 and kept in reserve there after.


Croatian firms working on this trams are already exporting locomotives and passengers coaches (train sets) to EU and US, Germans recently purchased over 50 Croatian built Train coaches at 2.5 million Euros for German Railways, similar exports where made to US and Italian railways.

On locomotives side - all the electric locomotives with in Bulgarian and Bosnian Railways are being refurbished and re-built at Koncar plants in Zagreb and, even Serbian railways had 60 of there locomotives (engines - contract valued at 38 million Euros) refurbished at the same plant. So this guys know what they are doing, and can easily compete with best in Europe or World. I think new trams only proves my point...
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