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Old November 27th, 2005, 08:08 AM   #21
 
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See Mike...arent you the least bit interested? .................you must be proud too
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Old November 27th, 2005, 12:18 PM   #22
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hehe...no its good to hear. Hope that the new systems that they are putting place in durban will be as good when they start implementing them before the 2010 world cup.
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Old November 28th, 2005, 03:17 PM   #23
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How much you wanna bet that this comes nowhere near the ridership they expect????? I would be willing to bet that it is not the success people are hoping for!!! Not enough population density to support it! It is great that they are building it though. Can't wait until Denver gets ours going along the frontrange! Much larger population base to support it.
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Old November 28th, 2005, 08:13 PM   #24
 
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LOL...........typical attitude.

And Albuquerque has plenty of population "density" to support it, and given the success of the Express Service along the Central Corridor......I wouldnt be surprised if we surpass that ridership within a few months of operation.

I DO however think it is silly and foolish to continue the rail link to Santa Fe.....not enough commuters, and tourists are going to want to drive their own cars, so they can explore the mountain areas north of Santa Fe.......and now the Governor is talking about future expansion all the way to the Colorado Border!!!...How fu*king stupid!!!....That one group in Colorado...who wants rail travel all along I-25 from Cheyanne to Albuquerque......dumb-ass idea.

The Denver light-rail....when I lived there.....people were pessimistic and thought it was a white-elephant...but now it is a great success........so I think the rail here in Albuquerque will be the same way.......we Definately have the population-base to support it.
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Old November 28th, 2005, 09:13 PM   #25
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Yes but ours are double-decked. ............and we expect upwards of 65,000+ per day....on a single line.
That estimate wasn't in the article, where did you find it? I doubt it's that much, considering the ridership of similar commuter rail lines.
About the density, I don't think it will matter that much, most people drive to commuter rail.
BTW, will this be another one of those peak-only operations or will it provide off-peak service as well?

@chris9, unfortunatley most NA commuter rails are diesel only, they're too cheap to invest in electrification, so they use these bulky diesel locomotives with slow acceleration and expensive fuel.
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Old November 29th, 2005, 08:27 AM   #26
 
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This will not only be peak-only operations, but will run throughout the day from 6 am to Midnight (10 pm in the wintertime). And you are also right, most people will drive to the park-and-ride stations, except for two. Downtown and Jornal Center (esp. downtown) are pedestrianised and mixed-use (including residential), that a large percentage of the commuters LEAVING from these stations will walk.

The estimate is based on current ridership of Albuquerques bus system, the HUGE success of the Express Line, several polls, and projected population growth. Many figures have been mentioned in passing in news articles, on the evening news, amongst architecture firms, the city planning commision, the Urban and Transport PLanning board at UNM (where I am involved) and by the mayor himself. I would absolutely post the links, however, apparently Albuquerquians dont believe in updating websites or posting information online. So as soon as I get a link, I will provide it.

Personally, I think we will have a terrific breakout inaugural ride, then the first few months might show slow growth, and then I forsee the ridership really taking off in mid-summer next year.

Btw my names also Nick lol.
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Old November 29th, 2005, 08:35 AM   #27
 
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What are some other commuter rail ridership figures? Initially the estimate sounded a bit high to me, but then, when I did a feasability study and really thought about it.........its really not too far off an estimate I dont think..........hell, I betcha 2,500 people from Belen commuting north would ride it alone per day!
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^ For small systems like this, with just one line, ridership ranges from less than 1,000 to about 10,000 / weekday.
Los Angeles Metrolink handles about 36,000 trips/weekday, Chicago's METRA 281,000 and NY area commuter rail (LIRR,MNR,NJT) handles about 800,000.

For 65,000 / weekday on a single line, you'd need a lot of trains. If a single train carries about 2,000 people (assuming 10 cars, and including standees), that's 32.5 fully loaded trains / day. Now consider that most trains won't be nearly as packed and off-peak trains carry a fraction of the maximum capacity. It would probably require at least 50 trains / day IMO, and that seems somewhat unfeasible for an upstart. (and if they're really going to run that many trains a day, they should really invest in electrification as it would be a lot cheaper in the long run and would allow for shorter headways)
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Old November 29th, 2005, 09:18 AM   #29
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As I said! Alb. is a little metro, and does not have the population base to support the numbers suggested (65,000).
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Yeh, I bet starting off.......we would be doing good with 16,000 per day. Many people wont use the rail strictly for inner city-suburban commute only. There will thousands of people running from Journal Center to Downtown mid-day, and many toruists will use this also mid-day, going from the Museum District, Airport, and the Massive Hotel area of Journal Center. All the people going to the two Casinos also.............ridership of course will have up and downs.......but the busiest times would be summer and the Balloon Fiesta in October.


This is the reason its so silly to continue the train to Santa Fe.......there is no need for it, not enough people will ride the rail to Santa Fe to make it worth the cost.
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Old December 23rd, 2005, 02:47 AM   #31
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New Bay Area Commuter Rail

http://bayrailalliance.org/maps/comparison/

$4 billion for rail to Silicon Valley: how much will it buy?



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Old December 23rd, 2005, 03:38 AM   #32
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$4 billion for rail to Silicon Valley: how much will it buy?



The Northeast Corridor Interactive Megalopolis:

Yep, bart is extremely expensive compared to commuter rail. But i think people in San Jose want to say they have a subway and will thus pay for it anyways. Assuming they get the $1 billion in federal funding, of course
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Springfield - Hartford Commuter rail

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Old December 29th, 2005, 06:30 AM   #34
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This is great news!

Now this needs to be complemented by a light rail network within Albuquerque so that you can go to places downtown once you get off commuter rail. In this respect, more and more people will be enticed to leave their cars at home, are at least at commuter rail stops.

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A light rail system has already been planned and passed by the counicil...work is expected to begin within the next 4 years (a BIG THANK YOU to Martin Chavez!!)

However, there is some odd construction going on in Old Town by the Museum District.........looks much like a light-rail is being put in place...crosses fingers. Its not unlike the city to just start something overnight, much like they did with the restriping of Montano Bridge.

The light rail system is planned for 4 lines-

One from the International Airport to downtown.
A link from the Zoological Gardens, through Old Town and the Museum District, into downtown.
A cross metro line along the Central Ave. and Lomas Blvd. Corridors.
And a north-east line into Midtown.
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A light rail system has already been planned and passed by the counicil...work is expected to begin within the next 4 years (a BIG THANK YOU to Martin Chavez!!)

However, there is some odd construction going on in Old Town by the Museum District.........looks much like a light-rail is being put in place...crosses fingers. Its not unlike the city to just start something overnight, much like they did with the restriping of Montano Bridge.

The light rail system is planned for 4 lines-

One from the International Airport to downtown.
A link from the Zoological Gardens, through Old Town and the Museum District, into downtown.
A cross metro line along the Central Ave. and Lomas Blvd. Corridors.
And a north-east line into Midtown.


do you have a map?

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Albuquerque system simulation

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Yep, bart is extremely expensive compared to commuter rail. But i think people in San Jose want to say they have a subway and will thus pay for it anyways. Assuming they get the $1 billion in federal funding, of course
What exactly is it that makes BART so much more expensive?
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Old January 18th, 2006, 04:40 AM   #39
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Every 15 min is not frequent. BART is like a subway so it's frequency would be every 2-5 minutes during peak. Intercity rail certainly makes sense in other areas
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^ on the bundled lines in San Francisco, yes, there is frequent service. But for the individual lines, it is less frequent. Every 15 minutes.
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