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Old April 24th, 2012, 08:00 AM   #2301
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There certainly are lots of cities one could put in a top 10. I have a bit of trouble putting Guangzhou, Tokyo, and Shenzhen in there as well. Tokyo does have a good cluster, but it tends to get lost in the vastness of the city. If you isolate that cluster by itself, it's quite good. Guangzhou is developing a good focal point as well. Shenzhen is a big mess, I agree with you 100% there.
I agree on Shenzen, but not on the others. Also, about Emporis, I have checked Shanghai, Chicago,HK,NY and they are all up to date. Here are my problems with Shanghai, first off it doesn't create a actual sky-line like Chicago,Hong Kong, and NYC. Second, I see it as more of a city like Dubai that is fighting for the top 5. The architecture it has is similar to HK's, so I see it as a second HK in a way. The Big 3 for me(CHI,HK,NYC), all combine to one piece, because they are all very powerful and unique. Chicago isn't a second NYC, its very unique, very modern, very powerful, and has a huge skyline. It has some of the world's best architecture because it combines it's beautiful modern style with beautiful art deco, and has one of the most unique skylines. Also, on the polls on this site Chicago and HK have always been in the top 3. If you type in top skylines, just about everything has Chicago in the top 3, the first thing that comes up is this https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...pmT4U4FDssStyw which has it as 2. Click on the next thing, Chicago is 2. After that is Emporis which has it in the top 3, after that is another one with Chicago as 2., if you keep looking you will see nearly all have it in the top 3. If you ask the American Institute of Architects, they say that Chicago has the best architecture in America - http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...ond-city/4510/. It has also been called the best US city by design http://www.businessweek.com/innovate...625_902330.htm. All the skyline list I mentioned have Chicago and HK above Shanghai.

I would like to point out, that I don't have anything against Shanghai, I just think Chicago and HK are better. Also, about 30 years in the future, I see Dubai being 1.
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Old April 29th, 2012, 11:04 AM   #2304
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Just great! That's the best cluster in the world..... for now.
What's your up and comer for the best cluster in the world, out of curiosity?

And while I still think that Chicago and HK have better overall natural settings, NY has an amazing collection of bridges that can't be matched.

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Old May 2nd, 2012, 09:55 PM   #2307
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What's your up and comer for the best cluster in the world, out of curiosity?

And while I still think that Chicago and HK have better overall natural settings, NY has an amazing collection of bridges that can't be matched.
New York's midtown is the one to watch. There are so many super tall buildings planned; it's going to look even more spectacular than it already does. I already have New York as my favourite skyline, but it will have the best cluster in a few years as well. A close 2nd: Lower Manhattan.

I understand the great natural setting of Hong Kong, and even New York. I find lake settings a little less interesting, but I suppose they're better settings than inland cities like London have.

Getting back to clusters, I still don't know what to make of Dubai. Even though it's starting to gel better, I still haven't warmed to it. A big dark horse is Mumbai. It's going to come out of nowhere and join the big boys over the next 10 years. Few people are paying attention to it, but it's inevitable that it's going to boast a very impressive skyline.

I don't even have Mumbai in my top 30 today, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it in my top 10 within 5-6 years. It's only going to move up the rankings after that.
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New York's midtown is the one to watch. There are so many super tall buildings planned; it's going to look even more spectacular than it already does. I already have New York as my favourite skyline, but it will have the best cluster in a few years as well. A close 2nd: Lower Manhattan.

I understand the great natural setting of Hong Kong, and even New York. I find lake settings a little less interesting, but I suppose they're better settings than inland cities like London have.

Getting back to clusters, I still don't know what to make of Dubai. Even though it's starting to gel better, I still haven't warmed to it. A big dark horse is Mumbai. It's going to come out of nowhere and join the big boys over the next 10 years. Few people are paying attention to it, but it's inevitable that it's going to boast a very impressive skyline.

I don't even have Mumbai in my top 30 today, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it in my top 10 within 5-6 years. It's only going to move up the rankings after that.
I agree with you on Dubai. I think the big thing that turns me off about Dubai is the vacant lots. You can't really blame them for that entirely because construction has really slowed since the downtown, but having the tallest building in the world, and the tallest block in the world is impressive, but having huge vacant, sand covered lots within a stones throw off them, makes them much less impressive. So Dubai really just needs to fill that stuff in, even if it's just 10-15 story buildings. Also agree on Mumbai.

Midtown really is booming. And there are so many more projects that are likely to get built in the next 5 years, 250 E 57th, 15 Penn, Manhattan West, 610 Lex, 432 Park, 225 W 57th, Tower Verre, Starwood Hotel, the entire Hudson Yards. I honestly think if those projects get built, and Hong Kong and Chicago don't start to get busy, Midtown Manhattan alone might have the best skyline on earth. Speaking of Midtown...

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New York's midtown is the one to watch. There are so many super tall buildings planned; it's going to look even more spectacular than it already does. I already have New York as my favourite skyline, but it will have the best cluster in a few years as well. A close 2nd: Lower Manhattan.

I understand the great natural setting of Hong Kong, and even New York. I find lake settings a little less interesting, but I suppose they're better settings than inland cities like London have.

Getting back to clusters, I still don't know what to make of Dubai. Even though it's starting to gel better, I still haven't warmed to it. A big dark horse is Mumbai. It's going to come out of nowhere and join the big boys over the next 10 years. Few people are paying attention to it, but it's inevitable that it's going to boast a very impressive skyline.

I don't even have Mumbai in my top 30 today, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it in my top 10 within 5-6 years. It's only going to move up the rankings after that.
I would actually take Chicago's lake over an ocean. It has this gorgeous aqua color that is intoxicating. You are also forgetting the lake is 300 miles long, and 50 miles wide, and it still has waves like an ocean. Another thing, is that their aren't jellyfish, sharks...etc..

About clusters, Dubai really needs to work on density. Right now it's mostly one long line of skyscrapers, with a few around the Burj, and another line several miles to the right. They really need to work on filling in the area around the burj khalifa.
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I would actually take Chicago's lake over an ocean. It has this gorgeous aqua color that is intoxicating. You are also forgetting the lake is 300 miles long, and 50 miles wide, and it still has waves like an ocean. Another thing, is that their aren't jellyfish, sharks...etc..
I didn't forget, I just prefer mountains, inlets, and peninsulas to lake fronts like Toronto and Chicago.
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I didn't forget, I just prefer mountains, inlets, and peninsulas to lake fronts like Toronto and Chicago.

@ Dralcoffin - Excellent photos, also I agree.

@ yankeesfan1000 - Awesome photos, love the one under the bridge!


Oh ok gotcha. So how do you feel about Dubai, I feel like it needs to be more spread out, right now its one long line of a plateau of 300-400 meter buildings. Also regarding NYC, I really love the new WTC, but man... I really miss the Twin Towers. The view from the Brooklyn Bridge at night, when the twins were still there, was the best skyscraper view in the world. It was absolutely spectacular. Another thing, I am not sure how I feel about 432 park being so much taller then the Empire State Building. The ESB may be the best example of architectural perfection, 432 Park is an ok looking building, and nothing more.

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I think as the WTC starts to fill the old ones gap in the skyline, and buildings like 99 Church start to go up as well, that feeling will dissipate. Nothing will ever be as imposing as the original, but the new complex will be a big improvement over the old one in a lot of ways, most notably, the old WTC at street level was always eerily empty, almost post apocalyptic.

I'm not nuts on the shape of 432 Park either, but the exterior bracing is going to be done in a stainless steel or brushed nickel apparently, which could look really nice. Either way, it's a 1400 hotel/condo in a still fragile economy, ain't all bad.

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I think as the WTC starts to fill the old ones gap in the skyline, and buildings like 99 Church start to go up as well, that feeling will dissipate. Nothing will ever be as imposing as the original, but the new complex will be a big improvement over the old one in a lot of ways, most notably, the old WTC at street level was always eerily empty, almost post apocalyptic.

I'm not nuts on the shape of 432 Park either, but the exterior bracing is going to be done in a stainless steel or brushed nickel apparently, which could look really nice. Either way, it's a 1400 hotel/condo in a still fragile economy, ain't all bad.

Little more on NYs setting, thanks to NYGuy on SSP for digging it up.


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I really hope so... something about the image of the old WTC in downtown at night had so much heart, I really hope it's like that after the new WTC is finished. I can't judge yet since the glass facade isn't at the top yet.
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MY ULTIMATE SKYLINES LIST OF THE WORLD!

1. HONG KONG of CHINA- Asia
2. NEW YORK of USA- North America
3. CHICAGO of USA- North America
4. SHANGHAI of CHINA- Asia
5. DUBAI of UAE- Asia
6. KUALA LUMPUR of MALAYSIA- Asia
7. TORONTO of CANADA- North America
8. SINGAPORE of SINGAPORE- Asia
9. GUANGZHOU of CHINA- Asia
10. SYDNEY of AUSTRALIA- Oceania

11. VANCOUVER of CANADA- North America
12. SHENZHEN of CHINA- Asia
13. SEATLE of USA- North America
14. DOHA of QATAR- Asia
15. TOKYO of JAPAN- Asia
16. MELBOURNE of AUSTRALIA- Oceania
17. BEIJING of CHINA- Asia
18. OSAKA of JAPAN- Asia
19. LONDON of ENGLAND- EUROPE
20. PHILADELPHIA of USA- North America

21. MANILA of PHILIPPINES- Asia
22. ABU DHABI of UAE- Asia
23. BANGKOK of THAILAND- Asia
24. BUSAN of SOUTH KOREA- Asia
25. CHONGQING of CHINA- Asia
26. SEOUL of SOUTH KOREA- Asia
26. PANAMA CITY of PANAMA- South America
27. SANTIAGO of CHILE- South America
28. JAKARTA of INDONESIA- Asia
29. MIAMI of USA- North America
30. PARIS of FRANCE- Europe


THESE ARE MY TOP CITIES AFTER CONSIDERING THEIR OWN MERITS OF ICONS,LANDSCAPES,FOCAL POINT CLUSTERS,CITY AT LARGE,DENSITY,NATURAL ADD VALUES AND AESTHETIC VALUES.
This evaluation were based on every city's own very best photos of the 2012 latest that can be gotten on google,our forums and the nets. Nothing more fairer than we evaluating each city with their best pictures, not what blueprint datas that have been set in our perspective before.
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So how do you feel about Dubai, I feel like it needs to be more spread out, right now its one long line of a plateau of 300-400 meter buildings. Also regarding NYC, I really love the new WTC, but man... I really miss the Twin Towers. The view from the Brooklyn Bridge at night, when the twins were still there, was the best skyscraper view in the world. It was absolutely spectacular. Another thing, I am not sure how I feel about 432 park being so much taller then the Empire State Building. The ESB may be the best example of architectural perfection, 432 Park is an ok looking building, and nothing more.
I find Dubai's skyline to linear as well. It's much better than before, but not there yet. I miss the twin towers in NYC, but the replacement is very good. It's not fair to compare them as nothing is going to be the same. 432 Park being taller than ESB is an issue, but all cities go through this. Their tall historic skyscrapers get surpassed/blocked by newer taller buildings. It happened in Toronto, Chicago, etc. ESB has the advantage of being somewhat removed from both of New York's main clusters. The ESB may not be the tallest any more, but it's still very prominent.
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I find Dubai's skyline to linear as well. It's much better than before, but not there yet. I miss the twin towers in NYC, but the replacement is very good. It's not fair to compare them as nothing is going to be the same. 432 Park being taller than ESB is an issue, but all cities go through this. Their tall historic skyscrapers get surpassed/blocked by newer taller buildings. It happened in Toronto, Chicago, etc. ESB has the advantage of being somewhat removed from both of New York's main clusters. The ESB may not be the tallest any more, but it's still very prominent.
Right, I was noticing some interesting things about Dubai, first off it's waterfront isn't built up, and It has a bunch of buildings, but they are in a straight line, any idea why they only seem to build along sheikh zayek road ? I also was wondering why the buildings are so far from the waterfront ? Because of the desert, Dubai looks very empty, and I think it will be a long time until it has a built up skyline. Also I have to ask, does Dubai just keep building for no reason, or is there an actual need for apartment and office space ?

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Yeah, the ESB is going to get a lot of competition in the next years.
Towers under construction or in preparation that will be taller than the ESB:
- 1WTC (545m)
- 432 Park Avenue (432m)
- 2WTC (411m)
- Hudson Yards North Tower (400m)

And the 300m+ towers:
- ESB (381m)
- 15 Penn Plaza (371m)
- One Manhattan West (370m)
- Bank of America Tower (366m)
- 225 West 57th Street (366m+)
- 3WTC (352m)
- Conde Nast Building (341m)
- Girasole (323m)
- Tower Verre (320m)
- Chrysler Building (319m)
- NYTT (319m)
- Hudson Yards South Tower (310m)
- One57 (306m)
- Hudson Yards Mixed-used Tower (300m+)

One could say, NY is clearing its way for a megatall tower. This decade we'll see at least one 600m+ proposal.
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