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Old November 29th, 2014, 05:24 PM   #6321
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Old November 29th, 2014, 07:44 PM   #6322
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NY....rules for century but no longer.........Dubai right now 4 towers more then 400m is under construction and two more then 600m ......many is yet to come.........
The picture below is only Business Bay and SZR.......other sky line is Marina,JLT,Tecom .....LOL any one to compete here.......
Don't count NY out yet, with a 500m+ tower and four 400m+ towers of its own down the pike. Not counting the 400m+ tower which just topped out and the 500m+ 1 WTC which just opened. Dubai has a lot to live up to, building 30 supertalls in a few decades can compete with 120 years of skyscraping history, but it can't beat it yet.


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Old November 29th, 2014, 07:57 PM   #6323
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Agree, Dubai has too little highrise and skyscrapers though they do have alot of supertalls.

competitor of NYC would be shanghai and hk


dubai more suited to be compared to chicago, guangzhou, or Doha
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Old November 29th, 2014, 09:31 PM   #6324
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Doha's skyline isn't bad, but a strange comparison imo. It's not very big.
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Old November 29th, 2014, 10:23 PM   #6325
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dubai more suited to be compared to chicago, guangzhou, or Doha
I could not disagree more. Chicago has much higher density than Dubai. It has richness and variety in architectural style. It has layering and the quality of most of its buildings its superb.

While Dubai has a beautiful emerging skyline, it cannot be compared to Chicago. You were right in comparing it to Doha, and I think it will be comparable in the near future to other middle eastern cities like Kuwait City and Riyadh.

But Chicago, in my opinion, is more along the lines of New York and Toronto. Even Shanghai is more comparable to Chicago than Dubai is.
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Old November 29th, 2014, 10:35 PM   #6327
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Old November 30th, 2014, 08:36 AM   #6328
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I could not disagree more. Chicago has much higher density than Dubai. It has richness and variety in architectural style. It has layering and the quality of most of its buildings its superb.

While Dubai has a beautiful emerging skyline, it cannot be compared to Chicago. You were right in comparing it to Doha, and I think it will be comparable in the near future to other middle eastern cities like Kuwait City and Riyadh.

But Chicago, in my opinion, is more along the lines of New York and Toronto. Even Shanghai is more comparable to Chicago than Dubai is.
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Agree, Dubai has too little highrise and skyscrapers though they do have alot of supertalls.

competitor of NYC would be shanghai and hk


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Don't count NY out yet, with a 500m+ tower and four 400m+ towers of its own down the pike. Not counting the 400m+ tower which just topped out and the 500m+ 1 WTC which just opened. Dubai has a lot to live up to, building 30 supertalls in a few decades can compete with 120 years of skyscraping history, but it can't beat it yet.


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NY has a good density with in certain area Manhattan......Dubai has Marina, Business bay, SZR, Creek , Festival City , Sports City , Barsa etc many skylines and after some years all are mixed......... Dubai right now on only 40 % of actual completed projects ..... Presently it can compete with Chines City not any of American near to it....!
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Toronto CBD, late June, 2014. 26 buildings under construction/proposed in that last frame and that's likely an under count.



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Dubai right now on only 40 % of actual completed projects ..... Presently it can compete with Chines City not any of American near to it....!
I disagree wholeheartedly.
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Old November 30th, 2014, 12:22 PM   #6331
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I disagree wholeheartedly.
I might add that this is a perfect example of why just looking at 200m+ buildings doesn't offer a full picture. We often discount 50-200m buildings when looking at a skyline, but this 'filler' provides the backdrop and density that makes a city and a skyline look complete.

Even massive skylines like New York wouldn't look nearly as good and would look disjointed without all those buildings under 200m that stitch it all together. Dubai scores terribly in this area.

# of Buildings 200m+
Dubai 65
New York 57

# of Buildings 50-199m
New York 3,250
Dubai 393
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I might add that this is a perfect example of why just looking at 200m+ buildings doesn't offer a full picture. We often discount 50-200m buildings when looking at a skyline, but this 'filler' provides the backdrop and density that makes a city and a skyline look complete.

Even massive skylines like New York wouldn't look nearly as good and would look disjointed without all those buildings under 200m that stitch it all together. Dubai scores terribly in this area.

# of Buildings 200m+
Dubai 65
New York 57

# of Buildings 50-199m
New York 3,250
Dubai 393
If based on building between 50-199m, singapore would rank higher than dubai
Based on Emporis data, singapore has about 4000 highrises
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Old November 30th, 2014, 01:55 PM   #6333
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If based on building between 50-199m, singapore would rank higher than dubai
Based on Emporis data, singapore has about 4000 highrises
Looking through the Emporis tables, Singapore's 50-199m building count is closer to 2,000. Most buildings below 17 floors will be shorter than 50m. Chicago and Toronto would be far ahead of Dubai as well:

# of Buildings 50-199m
Toronto 1,185
Chicago 910

Singapore seems to have 4,200 buildings between 12 and 30 floors. Is that because land values/land scarcity dictate that most people live in apartment blocks?
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That 4,000 figure sounds rather dubious although Singapore would, no doubt, come ahead of Dubai. Singapore's 50-199m building count is likely closer to 1,500. Chicago and Toronto would be far ahead of Dubai as well:

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Toronto 1,185
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Problem with singapore that all high rise are public flats and they are spread out across singapore. Especially in newer neighbourhood area in sengkang and punggol which is 15km away from the CBD


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That explains it. The sameness looks really bizarre to my north American eyes. What % of Singaporeans live in apartment blocks like that?
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That explains it. It looks really bizarre to my north American eyes. What % of Singaporeans live in apartment blocks like that?
About 80%, while landed house accounts less than 5%


Basically singapore is like Hk
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Ok thanks. And what percentage of that 80% would be public?
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Ok thanks. And what percentage of that 80% would be public?
Public flats 80%, private apartments(condominium) about 15% and the rest in landed housings.

Average cheapest public flat price 350k usd for size of 90sqm


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I might add that this is a perfect example of why just looking at 200m+ buildings doesn't offer a full picture. We often discount 50-200m buildings when looking at a skyline, but this 'filler' provides the backdrop and density that makes a city and a skyline look complete.

Even massive skylines like New York wouldn't look nearly as good and would look disjointed without all those buildings under 200m that stitch it all together. Dubai scores terribly in this area.
agreed. Dubai is still an impressive skyline, but it lacks filler to give it the density of most top-tier skylines.

Dubai SZR (2010) (photos by Katie Shaver)




The Marina is denser but it's still much smaller in size and less dense compared to most mid-tier skylines. What makes it special is its amount of supertalls, which in my opinion, are ugly.


NYC - Midtown (also 2010)
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NYC also has Lower Manhattan and Downtown Brooklyn. Long Island City is an emerging skyline with only the Citi tower being notable.

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