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Old March 7th, 2017, 08:57 PM   #11921
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This is a great shot --- it shows the IMBALANCE that I have been talking about. How the NY skyline has all of its new "spire towers" clustered together to one side of the city.... leaving NY with a lack of balance and symmetry.


This picture also shows how 432 sticks out like a sore thumb and does little for the flow, balance, symmetry and cohesion of the skyline.


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Old March 7th, 2017, 09:12 PM   #11922
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This is a great shot --- it shows the IMBALANCE that I have been talking about. How the NY skyline has all of its new "spire towers" clustered together to one side of the city.... leaving NY with a lack of symmetry.


This picture also shows how 432 sticks out like a sore thumb and does little for the flow, balance, symmetry and cohesion of the skyline.


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You're disregarding the entirety of the Hudson Yards, One Vanderbilt, and the 200m+ skyscrapers under construction south of the Empire State Building.
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Old March 7th, 2017, 09:40 PM   #11923
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Old March 7th, 2017, 09:48 PM   #11924
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Old March 7th, 2017, 10:20 PM   #11925
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This, to me, is the true list of the World's Tallest Buildings.

Height to pinnacle -- highest point




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When you are in Chicago you see, feel and notice the antennas that are on top of the Willis Tower and Hancock Center. In fact, it can be argued that those antennas "make" the buildings -- meaning they would lose their identities if you take the antennas off of those buildings.

The antennas on Willis and Hancock should be counted towards their actual height.

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It's not all about impressiveness. In my opinion what counts is the hard work of who designs and builds up the skyscraper, and it's easy for a lazy developer build a mega spire (think about KL118 for example).
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About the previous discussion Shenzhen is in my top 5 list. Random position and various design is a point of preciousness for the skyline.
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Old March 7th, 2017, 10:36 PM   #11926
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Also, the human eye automatically goes to the highest point of the structure -- the human eye does not distinguish the difference between a spire and an antenna.
Which is why the current system of measuring a building's height makes absolutely no sense.

A human eye could see a diagram comparing the Sears Tower and the Petronas Twin Towers, and the brain would immediately conclude using information from the eye that the Sears Tower is taller. Except it isn't, according to the weirdos who developed the system for measuring height.

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Old March 8th, 2017, 01:27 AM   #11927
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An impressive list of Chinese megatalls indeed Its gonna be difficult for anyone to keep pace with China in the years to come.

The thing about the Chicago towers is that they were built with the antennas from the very beginning. They are synonymous with the structure and helps give Chicago one of the most easily recognizable silhouettes in the world.

Also, the human eye automatically goes to the highest point of the structure -- the human eye does not distinguish the difference between a spire and an antenna.

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Actually, Sears did not have antennae originally but were instead added a later time (or at least they were much shorter and non descriptive). I believe that is why the current antennae are not considered an architectural feature that counts towards height (to me, the Sears Tower antennae are clad and appear to be an architectural feature rather than skinny truss like telecom antennae like WTC1)

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Old March 8th, 2017, 01:41 AM   #11928
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Old March 8th, 2017, 03:02 AM   #11929
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Well,my original means is i am just confused that these chinese new meagatalls all have no antenna or spire.is this means a style trend?or just coincidence.
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Old March 8th, 2017, 04:26 AM   #11930
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Old March 8th, 2017, 05:06 AM   #11931
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Well,my original means is i am just confused that these chinese new meagatalls all have no antenna or spire.is this means a style trend?or just coincidence.
I have some analysis,just my opinion.
Nowdays,super skyscraper is becoming very high,so that most of them are very slim,perhaps in consideration of a wide super tower may makes a giant shadow.also,most of those super tower all have streamline shape.so put a spire on the top seems unnecessary,try to imaging that if build a spire on the top of shanghai tower,or 432,even Lotte tower,it would be disaster.the spire or antenna,in my opinion,only suited to those towers which have complicated shape,such as burj Khalifa,sears tower,ESB,or Trump tower.
Maybe spire really a little obsolete for the next few decades.

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Old March 8th, 2017, 05:19 AM   #11932
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Actually, Sears did not have antennae originally but were instead added a later time (or at least they were much shorter and non descriptive). I believe that is why the current antennae are not considered an architectural feature that counts towards height (to me, the Sears Tower antennae are clad and appear to be an architectural feature rather than skinny truss like telecom antennae like WTC1)


Very true JuanPaulo -- in part. The antenna was built into the original design as you can see from your picture -- after about a year, the "length" of the antenna had to be updated to accommodate a greater signal.

But lets look at the Burj Khalifa -- it is designed so that if a challenger arises to unseat it as worlds tallest building, its spire can be lengthened so that it can retain its title. How is that any different than the Willis Tower later lengthening its antenna? And because Burj Khalifa arguably is without a permanent/fixed roof (because it can raise its spire), should it count as a "completed building" worthy of being considered the tallest in the world? And, if so, how is that any different than an antenna?

Just food for thought my friend. Not saying whats right or wrong. Just saying those are questions to be pondered indeed



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Old March 8th, 2017, 05:57 AM   #11933
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But please note - if you post too many images, I will delete them all. Try to have some consideration for people with slower Internet connections and/or slower computers, otherwise the thread becomes unreadable.
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Old March 8th, 2017, 08:24 AM   #11934
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Old March 8th, 2017, 09:46 AM   #11935
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Very true JuanPaulo -- in part. The antenna was built into the original design as you can see from your picture -- after about a year, the "length" of the antenna had to be updated to accommodate a greater signal.

But lets look at the Burj Khalifa -- it is designed so that if a challenger arises to unseat it as worlds tallest building, its spire can be lengthened so that it can retain its title. How is that any different than the Willis Tower later lengthening its antenna? And because Burj Khalifa arguably is without a permanent/fixed roof (because it can raise its spire), should it count as a "completed building" worthy of being considered the tallest in the world? And, if so, how is that any different than an antenna?

Just food for thought my friend. Not saying whats right or wrong. Just saying those are questions to be pondered indeed
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Well, look at it this way. Antennas when removed would not affect the integrity of the overall form while crowns, spires etc. are intrinsic part of the whole composition that if removed would affect the structural coherence.
I can recognize Willis without antennas but not Chrysler without a crown.
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Old March 8th, 2017, 04:27 PM   #11938
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