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Old March 11th, 2017, 05:17 PM   #11981
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Old March 11th, 2017, 05:36 PM   #11982
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Old March 11th, 2017, 05:39 PM   #11983
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Old March 11th, 2017, 11:03 PM   #11984
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Old March 11th, 2017, 11:24 PM   #11985
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Old March 11th, 2017, 11:55 PM   #11986
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Old March 11th, 2017, 11:59 PM   #11987
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Old March 12th, 2017, 12:32 AM   #11988
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Old March 12th, 2017, 12:56 AM   #11989
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I think a distinction needs to be made between a crown and a spire. If you took away the spire of the Chrysler building, it would still be easily recognized as the Chrysler building. Pinang Tower in Shenzen is another example. The tower was designed to have a spire but ultimately was not built because of flight path regulations. However, the crown was indeed built. Even without the spire, one can still say that Pinang is the same building... something that could not be said at all if the crown would have been eliminated.
Nice post JuanPaulo. Btw, I just ran across this on SSP -- posted by gramsjdg:

"How the Sears (Willis) Tower's cladded antennas don't count but WTC-1's un-cladded (and uncompleted) cable-guyed skeleton counts is beyond ridiculous.

CTBUH likely caved to 911 sentimentality pressure, at least that's what my money is on."


Wow. I never looked at it from that perspective. The Antennas on Willis are "cladded" .... that should make a huge difference in the hole discussion about whether or not to count a tower's antennae.

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Old March 12th, 2017, 06:45 AM   #11990
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1 WTC in NYC is a 417m (1,368 ft) building afaic. Willis Tower, First Canadian Place, and 1 WTC all have similar antennae stuck on top of them. The case for including the height on any of them is dubious imo. If 1 WTC is 541m Toronto got a super tall (355m) in 1975.
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1 WTC in NYC is a 417m (1,368 ft) building afaic. Willis Tower, First Canadian Place, and 1 WTC all have similar antennae stuck on top of them. The case for including the height on any of them is dubious imo. If 1 WTC is 541m Toronto got a super tall (355m) in 1975.
I disagree. I think there is a fundamental difference between this:

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I kind of agree with both of you. Both are antennae, so if one counts, so should the other. But then again, the second example shows uncladded antennae that look significantly different from the cladded ones, and often show up on shorter flat-roofed towers like the John Hancock Tower in a way that makes them look like they shouldn't count.
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You see those little thingies on top?
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I disagree. I think there is a fundamental difference between this:

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I don't see much difference. They're both metal (1 lattice 1 pipe) attached atop a building for communications purposes. If you put a metal pipe around FCP's antennae is the building now 57m taller?

Both buildings stop at the roof and that gives one the best representation of the size of each. I make exceptions for spires like one sees on the Chrysler Building.

We'll have to agree to disagree.
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Old March 12th, 2017, 08:51 PM   #11995
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I don't see much difference. They're both metal (1 lattice 1 pipe) attached atop a building for communications purposes. If you put a metal pipe around FCP's antennae is the building now 57m taller?

Both buildings stop at the roof and that gives one the best representation of the size of each. I make exceptions for spires like one sees on the Chrysler Building.

We'll have to agree to disagree.
I dont mean to offend, but if you think that the antenna on that Canadian building makes as much of an architectural statement as the spires on the Sears Tower, then you need to get your eyes checked.
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